The House is investigating whether Trump lied to Mueller.

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  1. Nemesis

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    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...peals-court/ar-BBWWl20?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCDHP

    "House lawyers told the appeals court in filings that lawmakers need to view the materials to “aid the House in determining whether the President committed impeachable offenses, including attempted obstruction of the Special Counsel’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election and solicitation of Ukrainian interference in the 2020 Presidential election.”

    Any delay, House lawyers said, will deprive the investigation of essential information.

    In her 75-page opinion, Howell said the Judiciary Committee and the House, in determining whether to recommend articles of impeachment, are serving like a grand jury.

    “In carrying out the weighty constitutional duty of determining whether impeachment of the President is warranted, Congress need not redo the nearly two years of effort spent on the Special Counsel’s investigation, nor risk being misled by witnesses, who may have provided information to the grand jury and the Special Counsel that varies from what they tell” the House, Howell wrote.

    Howell, a former Democratic Senate Judiciary Committee counsel and a 2010 nominee of President Barack Obama, said the need for continued secrecy was “minimal” because the Justice Department already had made redacted portions of the Mueller report available to certain members of Congress and because the Judiciary Committee agreed to negotiations to prevent release of information that would harm any ongoing investigations.

    In opposing the release, Trump administration lawyers said a Watergate-era court ruling was wrongly decided in finding impeachment proceedings exempt from grand-jury secrecy rules.

    Howell disagreed and rejected Justice Department claims that the House had not yet exhausted other means of obtaining the information, including through subpoena.

    “These arguments smack of farce,” she wrote, citing a letter from White House counsel Pat Cipollone to House leaders saying the administration would not cooperate with the impeachment inquiry.

    “The reality,” Howell wrote, “is that DOJ and the White House have been openly stonewalling the House’s efforts to get information by subpoena and by agreement, and the White House has flatly stated that the Administration will not cooperate with congressional requests for information.”
     
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    Of course they are stupid vindictive pricks..

    Senate needs to tell them to go to hell.
     
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    I'm not surprised after the impeachment debacle. The gotta try to find something.
     
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    You mean they have to fabricate something? They already tried thst it's called the Steele dossier.
     
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    You guys think that only one Bonespurs issue can be investigated at a time?

    *LOL*

    Uh, no.
     
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    Who hasn't lied in this attempted coup and kangaroo congress?
     
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    Yes, that' what I mean. It's all bogus.
     
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    When Robert Mueller came before Congress on July 12th, he testified to the fact that in Trump's written answers to questions, "he generally wasn't always being truthful". I heard him say it, republicans heard it, democrats heard it, the whole world heard it if they were listening. I thought right then, that Mueller just testified that Trump lied to the Special Counsel which is a federal offense and not one person is speaking up about it. Why not? Why have democrats waited four months to question this?

    So if Trump wants to come to Congress to tell his side of the Ukraine story, I know he's lying about that. He would never sit in front of Congress and be able to refrain from lying.
     
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    Even under oath?
     
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    He was under oath with his written answers and he would be under oath in a live testimony also.
     
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    True.

    And he lied.

    The trumpers here think that there will never be a reckoning for him, but I remain optimistic that he'll face the consequences of his unlawful, self-dealing behavior.
     
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    How about a 3 strikes and you're out rule? For Congress i mean.
     
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    Explain
     
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    3 false accusations by congress and all the Democrats resign for abuse of power
     
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    Democrats need something to fill the void left by the total implosion of the much hyped Mueller fiasco, so they've hitched their wagons to another pathetic charade utterly devoid of substance or import. And just like last time, they will monopolize every inch of this forum hyping every trivial development until the charade finally fizzles out leaving the Democrats with another void to fill and another fix to chase.
     
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    The court of appeals HAS DELAYED their decision until January, at least one of the three is a Dirty Donald appointee.
     
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    The House is investigating whether Trump lied to Mueller.

    Russia collusion didn't work, Russia collusion 2 won't work either. No surprise that Russian collusion 3 has started. As I have said over and over, politics is humanity at its worst.
     
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