Here is a clear example of climate harm baiting and by the media. Not just land heat waves: Oceans are in hot water, too CHRISTINA LARSON,Associated Press 2 hours 2 minutes ago FILE - In this Tuesday, Feb. 26, 2013 file photo, a Guadalupe fur seal, foreground, passes by as SeaWorld animal rescue team member Heather Ruce feeds a California sea lion at a rescue facility in San Diego, with rescue crews seeing a higher than average amount of stranded sea lions. Marine biologists nicknamed a patch of persistent high temperatures in the Pacific Ocean between 2013 and 2016 “the Blob.” During that period, decreased phytoplankton production led to a “lack of food for many species,” from fish to marine mammals. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull) Some call that science. I call it political. Explain to the forum those who think that is science just why this temperature at San Diego is harmful when the much warmer waters of Florida are so excellent for marine life? The closer you get to the equator the warmer the water is. What about Hawaii where the water stays warmer than 80 degrees? A lot of fish and marine life are there.
And this is the example? Uh...okay.... Of course, you never knew any of this....were never fooled, never outraged...until a denier blog brought it to your attention... But, I digress. All in all, I find it hard to believe that this outrages you, and I also dont think this represemts the sort of bombastic behavior to which you were alluding.
Temp is not the only factor - science. Coral reef importance - science. Decreasing phytoplankton - science. Varying sea temperatures due to features such as the "blob" - science. Here in WA we're losing Salmon, with climate change one of the factors - science. There isn't any other species that's coming in to fill the gap - science. You say "what about Hawaii". Well, what about Hawaii?
Crap, let me put this into context. Take the modern Indy car. It hits speeds on the same track of over 240 mph that once the top speed was more like 180. So do we yank our hair out at the higher speeds? Climate changes. Who thinks climate does not change? Climate changes monthly. Climate change has a time component in it. It has locational factors. SF has fish off our coast. So does Miami. Fish do well in temps of 55 degrees at SF and do well in temps of 80 at Miami. So warm does not translate to harm. Now the moment you blame man for climate, you mean he has the ability to control it, but wants to rush into the hell of a hotter planet. And it assigns blame. So, let's now chat about solutions to the angst of the Democrats and their fellow travelers. So you want more ice in the Arctic do you? Okay, I shall be with you in wanting more ice in the Arctic. We will team up. My idea of how to get more ice into the Arctic is to plant more forests. We do ourselves good by having plenty of forests. Man can plant trees. Man can use plants known to be better at taking in Carbon Dioxide than others. Some trees are great. Some less great. Some plants love carbon dioxide. Some not as much. How about curing the forest fires in CA? I was born here and recall as a young child seeing such fires north of Sacramento and at the time nobody was chatting up global warming. CA took action. They put up smoky the bear signs. Then what happened? As a child this state had a population of around ten million. Figures obrtained using the WWW. Born in 1938, then the population was over 5.6 million but less than 10 million. I will split the difference and make it 7.5 million. We then had fewer people willing to set fires. We also had a lot of smokers but the area is vast so perhaps it did not matter that much. Believe it or not, at one time CA major living was on farms. Farms are not prone to fires. Even if they fire the fields, they also manage this. I for instance saw farmers in Oregon firing their fields but they control the burns. I never saw one of those fields on fire setting the countryside on fire. Today we have nuts. We have people who for one reason or other set forests on fire and grass and brush on fire. I blame those humans for this and not the person driving the large pu truck who you want to drive a mini Cooper.
How common is it in WA for the people there to run around all alarmed with their hair set on fire? What do you think about Hawaii given it is far warmer than at WA? <Rule 4>
I owned a mortgage company and trace my economics education back to around 1967 forward. True i am more specialized but have consumed trade publications for eons. I am a charter subscriber to Money magazine, though not a current subscriber. I currently get monthly reports on mortgage financing sent to me. I might also add that due to my fields, I was forced by law to get a lot more college education in economics and other things than most are forced to take. I had to petition CA to obtain their blessing to stop being educated formally. I spent 50 years being educated in matters like finance, the laws on finance, business law and a lot more including appraising. Believe it or not, Appraisal education also includes finance. We studied things to cause us to establish the values on real estate as well.i have trained a good number of appraisers. I can do an appraisal accurately that is accepted by Government. Posters here talk of things like this but lack the education and experience to deal with such things. So I do not work in Climate issues. But I also put in years studying science. From the basics to the math. I tend to not trust those who wish to blame humans all the time. I am very skeptical of Government. When i was a Democrat, I truly believed it did only good. I no longer believe Government does only good. We talk on the forum from unequal bases. Some went to college but lack my level of experience.
So, you like car racing??? No, weather changes in a pattern that forms a local climate. The climate itself doesn't change. The issue here is climate change. More specifically, it has to do with the overall warming of the planet. Warming is one of the factors in putting Salmon on the endangered species list. The fact that there are fish that survive in warmer waters doesn't solve the problem. Fish require an entire ecosystem - they need specific food sources, types of breeding locations, specific environmental features, etc. This idea that any temperature of water is OK is ridiculous. It's like saying that all we need is one type of food or one type of breeding location, etc. This is a ridiculous outlook. There is no charge that certain humans want to do damage to the planet. While I do believe that there are specific mitigations that will be required, that is NOT an excuse for ignoring efforts to slow the factor that is causing the problem. Plus, the problems are global. How climate change impacts CA is NOT how it impacts other places. So, your list of problems was totally ridiculous. It didn't address Bangladesh, where headwaters in China are being diverted away from that nation. It didn't address Iraq, where the two major rivers are being polluted by farming and other policy in the countries where those rivers start - impacting agriculture in Iraq. It didn't show how to mitigate failing agriculture in the horn of Africa, Syria, or other various places. It didn't address how the people movement from these and other locations can be resolved. In other words, you do not have solutions for living with climate change - nor do I.
No. It doesn't. It doesn't change yearly either. It's even a stretch to say that it changes decadely.
Judging from your posts, it's YOUR hair that's on fire. As for Hawaii, a lot of people around here love to go there in the winter. Yes, we need to care about coral reefs for the very reason cited by scientists in YOUR cite.
For the record I didn't get any of that from a denier blog. Anyway, I want to be taken genuinely. That means if I'm going to debunk factually incorrect denier propaganda then I'm equally obligated to debunk factually incorrect alarmist propaganda.
So, you want to discuss climate changing then tell me climate does not change. Wild kind of discussion.
No, you said MY hair was on fire. And, you asked me what I think of Hawaii. So, I answered. When you said stuff about science, I responded about science.
No, he's right. You're still mixing climate and weather. Climate has to do with the pattern of weather in a particular region. Here in Seattle, our climate includes surface temperature patterns over the year, weather patterns that include moist air flow from the southwest being common, rare thundershowers, certain amounts of rainfall of certain types, etc., etc. That is our climate - our pattern of weather. Climate change means that isn't the pattern anymore. Our new climate might have a different average amount of precipitation for each month, have different average temperatures for each month, have various kinds of storms more or less frequently, have different standard deviations in these measures, etc., etc.
I'm not saying that climate doesn't change. I'm saying that climate as it is used in the context of climate change and global warming is not something that can be measured on short time periods.
You truly had me worried there. At first I got the notion you expected humans to change something. Whew!!!!!
Thank for the background! I have degrees in physics and mathematics and have bounced around between actuarial science, owning restaurants, and now banking. I'm sure we would have a lot to talk about.
Fair enough. But scientists do think that the loss of land and sea ice is a crisis, and models do predict it possible that arctic summers will be ice free within only a few years.
