The Kochs are abandoning the GOP's Crackpot Xenophobes

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  1. Natty Bumpo

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    Crackpot xenophobes feed off their messiah's lies, of course.

    Despite evidence to the contrary, Trump has repeatedly insisted that illegal immigration to the U.S. is contributing to a wave of crime. During the 2016 campaign, he famously referred to immigrants from Mexico as "bad hombres" and said most were "drug dealers, criminals, rapists!"

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    Citing one study conducted by four universities, The New York Times wrote in March that data show, "a large majority of the [metropolitan] areas have many more immigrants today than they did in 1980 and fewer violent crimes. The Marshall Project extended the study's data up to 2016, showing that crime fell more often than it rose even as immigrant populations grew almost across the board."

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...ants-animals?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=news
     
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    That is a dumb statement!

    How can I be a xenophobe when my wife is an immigrant?

    Have you checked in with legal immigrants to see how they feel about illegal immigrants - my wife hates the idea of illeagal immigrants who have not stood in line, gotten a sponsor - and most of all, have not sworn to aphold the constitution and have allegiance to the USA. Because she's an immigrant (with a big mouth) she often gets other immigrants to come out of their shells and voice their negative opinions against illegals.

    That's the problem with you people - you dan't have a clue, but sound off as though you know what you're talking about.
     
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    You can pretend that folks are or are not "animals" based upon bureaucratic classifications. That's not a prejudice that I share. Doing what one feels one needs to do to keep one's family alive is not something that makes me hate or demean people.

    Your alienation that compels you to label the vast majority of Americans - presumably including the Koch Brothers - as "you people" is quite amusing.

    Of course, comprehensive immigration reform is needed. DACA is only one widely supported aspect.
     
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    Try to keep up, just check out the threads that show Trump was talking about MS-13 with that statement. When you look at MSM headlines, it's easy to be fooled.
     
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    Trump did not once refer to "MS-13". This is his rant:

    “We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — and we’re stopping a lot of them — but we’re taking people out of the country. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals. And we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before. And because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out. It’s crazy.”
    MS-13 members are not released when apprehended, certainly not "repeatedly."

    Trump’s long history of referring to nonwhite criminals as ‘animals’
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-criminals-as-animals/?utm_term=.77e68ebaff6b
     
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    That was his response to the sheriff who was complaining about MS-13. Considering we are mostly deporting those who committed crimes, the others aren't angels either.

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    Well, they are more libertarian (free markets) than a political ideologue. Still doesn't mean they are going to back Dems. AS they did in the past, they are probably going to back TEA party members or the LP.
     
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    Trump's constant evocations of undefined "animals" has been repeatedly used to dehumanize non-whites by implication. "Criminals! Rapists!"

    An alt-right killer in Charlottesville or a Dylan Roof is never called an "animal" by Trump. Only Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims - frequently.
     
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    lol. The Kochs only care about maintaining an uninterrupted flow of the cheap imported labor that applies downward pressure on the price of all domestic labor.
     
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    Why is it any insult by the left is justified but any insult by the right is considered so offensive? You don't think calling conservatives Nazi's, racists, homophobes isn't meant to dehumanize them? So much sanctimonious faux outrage. You can dish it out, but you can't take it. What did the Left say when Sarah Sanders was viciously insulted? Oh, that was OK and the Right are snowflakes if they can't take it. Back at you Poindexter.
     
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    Who is your "left"?

    I would only refer to Trump's self-proclaimed neo-nazi and white supremacists who hail him as their "Glorious Leader!" as such.

    Why does Trump constantly dehumanize only non-White people?

     
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    The Kochs are allocating their resources to promote politicians who support DACA without regard to their party affiliation.

    If more Republican politicians support DACA, they'll benefit more from the brothers' largesse.
     
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    Of course, Trump did not specify or even once mention "MS-13" in his latest attempt to dehumanize.

    This is a textbook case of how dehumanizing and racist rhetoric works,” Sanchez wrote. “The question references a hypothetical MS-13 member. Trump immediately pivots to a vaguer ‘people trying to come into the country’ who we’re ‘taking out.’ The point of that move is precisely to conflate groups: ‘people trying to come in’ —> gang members —> ‘not people, animals.’ Spend five minutes on any racist message board and you’ll find a dozen instances of the trope.”
    His repeated technique only fools those who want to be fooled.

     
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    do you not understand the first concept of discussion he was responding to someone who mentioned MS-13.

    See this is why we say you have Trump derangement syndrome because you take leave of reality in order to fabricate this hate narrative.

    You are dead wrong and you know you are you're being dishonest. But I know because I understand facts and don't devolve into this diluted nonsense I'm just a Trumpster or whatever these cutesy little words you ***** makeup and think are funny to describe someone who doesn't think Trump is the absolute devil

     
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    I save "you people" for people like you who are becoming a shrinking minority because of your hateful rhetoric against President Trump nnd his supprorters. When you mention "animals" I'm assuminhg you're referring to President Trump stating that MS-13 gang members arew animals. They are animals.

    When you say "DACA is only one widely supported aspect" you are of course joking. Most Americans want to send ALL of them back with the exception of those few who are real Americans.
     
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    Why do you suppose that Trump has a long, documented history of dehumanizing Blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims as "animals" but, apparently, never a White person?

    Did he ever once label a White person an "animal"?
     
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