The Latest: House won't vote to formalize impeachment probe

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

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    What evidence are they weighing?
     
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    I cannot think of a single investigation that starts with an 'official vote'. Cops don't vote before they start one. The Justice Dept does not vote before they start one, The DA's office does not vote before they start one. The IRS does not vote before they start one. .
     
  3. Fred C Dobbs

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    Nor are any of these investigations begun by a single political party.
     
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    Trump wasn't a target of the investigation until Comey was fired. Comey told him that on several occasions, but would not say so publicly. The response to Comey's firing and the "mixed messages" regarding his firing was what led Rosenstein to appoint a Special Counsel. And, Rosenstein was nominated to be Deputy Attorney General by Trump.
     
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  5. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And the President had every right to fire Comey. The WSJ said in the month Trump was sworn in that the first thing Trump should do is fire Comey, political player of limited intelligence or skills.. He should never have been appointed.

    And Rosenstein himself said Trump should get rid of Comey though now, I suspect, this may have been the way to appoint the Special Council Comey and the Swamp wanted.
     
  6. stone6

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    I believe Rosenstein appointed the Special Counsel following Trump's interview with Lester Holt and his meeting with the Russian Foreign Minister and Russian Ambassador in the Oval Office, wherein he told both that Comey was fired due to the Russian investigation.
     
  7. Fred C Dobbs

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    Well that's also a good reason for him to be fired given that the entire Russian Collusion investigation was a hoax, and of course Trump knew that from the very beginning..
     
  8. Bush Lawyer

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    I keep seeing and hearing that word....'hoax.' Explain the events which you describe as a hoax and explain why they amount to a hoax. What do you mean by the word hoax?
     
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    The word means the same here as it does in Australia.
     
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    Okay...something is a fraud. Explain the events which you describe as a fraud and explain why they amount to a fraud.
     
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    There's a lot to explain, from how the hoax began with the British, Russians and Australians involved, to the findings of the Mueller report and, soon, the results of an investigation as to how the entire Russia Hoax began and who was responsible.. Best to Google perhaps.
     
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    Sanctions beginning to take their toll, eh? You'd better be able to prove that.
    You understand, of course, that if the investigations fail to prove that Russian interference did NOT occur in the elections, the Republican Party is finished for, at least a generation, if not longer? The President has painted himself into a corner.
     
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    In other words, you have no idea and you are just parroting Trump. The ONLY involvement of Australia in the chain of events I suspect you are referring to is about a meeting Alexander Downer had with a 2016 Trump election aide in 2016, a bloke called Papadoupolis when Papadoupolis told Downer that the Russians had given Trump dirt on Clinton....the email saga. (As is his responsibility as our Diplomat in London) Downer passed that on to Canberra who passed it on to Washington. Those emails were then ever so conveniently released by Wikileaks (gee, I wonder where Assange got them from.....Trump do you suspect?) and then...Trump is telling the faithful how much he just 'loves Wikileaks.' There is no hoax in any of that, Fred....that is all fact.
     
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    If you feel you know all about it why are you asking me? I'm not interested in playing this tiresome game with you..Wait for the IG's report.
     
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    I reckon the best I can say to that is to suggest you heed your own advice. Before you go off calling something a hoax or a fraud, maybe you too ought to wait for that Report. Of course alternatively, you could always address the facts I gave you and tell me whether those facts amount to Russian interference in the US election, interference Trump leveraged to take advantage of.
     
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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/horowitz-russia-investigation-misconduct-declassification-process
     
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    Forcing a court battle over every document? Impeachment or not the House has oversight powers
     
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    That Aussie media must really suck! Did you even read the link???
     
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    Have no idea what this means. Sanctions??

    See above.
     
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    Enough to know that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the facts I gave you about Australian involvement.

    On our schmedia...we have our Hannity equivalent...Google Andrew Bolt.
     
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    In an official inquiry hearing both sides of the aisle can question the "witness/whistleblower", the way they're doing it the Republicans don't even have the right to sit in on the hearing.

    GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz Denied Entry into Impeachment Inquiry Hearing

    Sounds more like a 3rd world country proceeding. The voters will hear about the lack of even a semblance of transparency by the Democrats in up coming campaign ads.
     
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    You have not read a word I have posted, or if you have, you have willfully ignored what I have said. If the House impeaches (i.e. charges) the Trial is held in the Senate where Trump will confront his accusers, call witnesses, and cross-examine people.

    Australian, Julian Assange ~ an ******** ~ (Wikileaks) was the subject of a covert Grand Jury when he was still in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.
     
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    What you think is irrelevant. The Congress isn't a Law Enforcement agency. The Democrat know they're getting as far with the Republican DOJ as the Republicans as with the Obama DOJ.
     
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    Because you're wrong and parroting CNN. Where's the Grand Jury for Trump?
     
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