The Left Have Shot Themselves In The Foot

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So one simple question and your entire position falls apart? Are you avoiding the question be cause you don't know or is it because the answer does not support your position?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This isn't complicated. I'm not here to do your research for you. Let me explain how a search engine works. Paste the title of the articles I gave you in to a browser and knock yourself out.
     
  3. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So my one question caused your position to crumble to the point of resorting to dodges and personal attacks. I am not asking you to do my research; I am merely checking your willingness to consider facts.

    Would anyone else like to answer? How many times are guns used in self defense?
     
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    No one is robbing to fulfill a need. Although, from what I see, many young people have a difficult time telling the difference between a "need" and a "want." Those robbing Louis Vitton aren't fulfilling needs, for example. People are robbing for wants that they can't afford, or more likely, to resell other people's merchandise. The myth of the poor little thing that is punished severely for stealing a loaf of bread is dead.
     
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    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    Nope very much alive.
     
  6. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    More guns are stolen from homes than are used to ward off home burglars so there is more chance that your own gun will be used on you than on an intruder
     
  7. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is far from correct. Where did you get that?
     
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  8. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :confusion: Wut?
     
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    Completely wrong. If they are going to pull a gun and kill you then it’s over before it even begins. However I’ve taken many self defense classes for women and in a rape type situation the attacker will attempt to gain control through fear and intimidation. I carry a raptor claw knife, a Glock 43, and most importantly I’m always aware of my surroundings. If I’m ever attacked the attacker will be visiting a hospital even if I’m killed. I will never allow myself to be taken to that “second location.” If you have a wife, daughter, or other female loved one, I’d highly recommend you putting them in one of those classes. The horror stories I’ve heard from some women are beyond comprehension. You couldn’t believe some of the animals out there that hate women so badly that all they want to do is terrorize and abuse them. Some of those women are so damaged it’s heartbreaking.
     
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    https://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable17.pdf
    Threatened or attacked with a firearm as a mean of self defense 109,000 (0.2% of intruders are challenged by the use of a gun) for period 2013-2015


    Criminals steal more than 237,000 guns from legal American gun owners every year
    https://www.businessinsider.com/criminals-steal-guns-from-legal-gun-owners-2017-11?r=US&IR=T


    About 1.4 million firearms were stolen during household burglaries and other property crimes over the six-year period from 2005 through 2010, according to a report released today by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).
    https://bjs.ojp.gov/press-release/f...urglaries-and-other-property-crimes-2005-2010
     
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    Go and read about the BREATHE Act proposed by (of coarse) Democratic Reps. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and then come back here and say that’s a deflection with a straight face.
     
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  12. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please copy and paste where it gives the number of people shot with their own firearm.
     
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    Very intelligent statement. It would also help if our unamerican policymakers were actually interested in keep the citizens safe. Case in point: the BREATHE act is probably the most ridiculous proposal I’ve ever seen. If by some miracle that is ever passed we would have an increase in crime like we’ve never seen.
     
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    I wrote "so there is more chance that your own gun will be used on you than on an intruder". Only 2 in every 1000 property criminals (eg intruders) are even challenged by the property owner with his gun. Yet 6 times that number of guns are stolen. So with every self defense challenge with a gun, 6 guns are stolen. You think that the gun thief won't use the stolen gun if feeling threatened with capture even if just to ward off the property owner? When did the actual firing of a gun be the definition of self defense; according to gun owners, just showing a gun is a self defense action
     
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    Nice!
     
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    And we also have:
    For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
     
  17. Patricio Da Silva

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    Okay, so we let a woman carry a derringer in her purse, AFTER 2a is repealed.

    I'll go half way with you.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah! Thanks for clarifying. So I am more likely face an intruder with a stolen gun. That is different than the claim I questioned. There are many misleading stats on guns, but unarmed victims will always be the preferred target for criminals.

    Would you go as far as disarming armored car security guards?
     
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  19. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is a very poor defense weapon. They are inaccurate, and the trigger is a heavy pull. At best, the Derringer is a back up weapon. (Boot gun)

    Another reason why those with no knowledge should not be making decisions that affect lives. Can you criminals to limit themselves to Derringers?
     
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    No one is banning guns Repealing 2a does not ban guns. It allows for regulation.

    Capiche?
     
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  21. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are incorrect. The right to bear arms is already banned in your state.
     
  22. Patricio Da Silva

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    That's incorrect, it's regulated.

    The term 'shall not be infringed' only goes to the right, nothing more, nothing less.

    You can own a firearm(s) per regulations followed.
     
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    What do you do if someone walks up behind you in a crowded walk way and pulls out a gun, points it at your head and pulls the trigger or even within 10 ft and pulls the trigger?? All the guns and knives in the world are not going to help you.
     
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    Go back and read the 2nd sentence of my post.
     
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    I did; still makes no difference; you cannot be totally aware of your surroundings 100% when you have dozens of people within a short distance from you. While you focus on one person, the other person could pull a gun/knife and kill (or disable) you.
     

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