The Left will insure President Trump's re-election

nope, you are just posting a lie

 

Atta boy, being wrong is your thing

 

trump went birther just to pander to white nationalists

 

If the economy keeps improving, Trump will get reelected.

 

You make the mistake of conflating temporary spending(the Bush wars), with fixed spending(Medical costs.) You realize it's annual cost PER YEAR right? It'd break us. We don't have the kind of cost-sharing mechanics Europe has to afford it.

 

Probably not for this thread, but Time Magazine is reporting that young liberals think the D party is too conservative.
(!!) That suggests The nomination of Elizabeth Warren, another barking, angry, pushy Yankee woman, or the old Socialist Bernie Sanders, and I think either will be thumped in 2020 by Trump, as were Dukakis and Mondale.

 

As a former Liberal, I think the party's far too racist, up in its head and flat out delusional about the challenges we face to be able to adequately run for the Presidency. If they focused on shoring up their local/State losses, they should try rebounding in 2028 when hopefully some of this dies down.

 

Newt Gingrich himself admitted that "we can't kid ourselves about the real accomplishments of liberal administrations." I'd have likely voted for Jim Webb, a non-crazy Democrat, instead of Johnson.

I don't know where the tipping point came for me, also a former liberal. But I can no longer align myself with Hollywood ignoramuses and others obsessed with honoring limitless tranches of sexual orientation (how many are there, again?), race, and government remedies to every local, social problem. Suing a poor, independent baker because he doesn't want to bake a cake that celebrates your sexual orientation? Madness.

We were sliding toward Portland Oregon-ism until Trump stood up and said: "Enough."

He's flawed, like all of us, but good on him.

 

Conrad Black writes better than I do and I'm jealous:

"It is becoming difficult to believe that the ever-more-silly entertainment world, an echo chamber of escalating primal imbecilic utterances in a hall of mirrors, festers in the same country that, as its president correctly told the United Nations on Tuesday morning, now has more people working than ever before and the highest market capitalization of its industries of all time, is striving toward increasing prosperity, and is the only force in the world trying to keep hydrogen bombs out of the hands of psychotic lunatics. It was nostalgic, though not very agreeably so, to listen to Jane Fonda, former receptionist of the Hanoi Hilton, the once passably amusing Lily Tomlin, and Dolly Parton, who should reconnect with her roots in Locust Ridge, Tenn., reaching for the high notes and calling their country’s leader a sexist bigot and hypocrite. All that was missing was Shirley MacLaine doing a reprise on past assimilations of Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon to Hitler. When the Fuehrer shot himself, with his bride of one day, prior to having their corpses burned just before the arrival of the Red Army at their bunker in Berlin on April 30, 1945, he could not have imagined that he would become the alleged role model for a succession of American presidents. Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump have all been accorded this treatment by Hollywood ignoramuses who have incandescent emotions fixed to rigid attitudes unconnected to any historical knowledge. These frantic Hollywood philistines, erupting from our television screens at their vacuous self-awards nights to fewer and fewer people each year, adapt symbols of the past as Errol Flynn once played pirates, and imagine they have the right and competence to give political guidance to the world, the voters be damned."

 

The Bush/Cheney wars are still ongoing with no end in sight.

 

This is true. So let's put it in that perspective: We'd merely redirect spending, from the war to health care. Worth it? Subjectively speaking, if the wars aren't making us safer and health care keeps us healthy I suppose for many voters they'd make that tradeoff. But still, we know it will result in higher taxes.

That's the basic reality and debate of UHC: Are you prepared for the taxes of a universal health care system on the public domain? Middle-class voters say no, because they can't afford it. Low-class voters say yes because it doesn't affect them. And the rich is divided along ideological grounds. It depends on which side of the rich is in power. And right now, barring anything that's Trump and his Republicans.

Just like their stupid bill(I disagree with the Cassidy "bill"), it's dead on arrival.

 

If we STOP wasting taxpayer dollars on the Bush/Cheney wars we could redirect that funding WITHOUT raising taxes.

 

A compromise could be trying it out. Universal Health Care for I don't know, let's say 2 years. A 2 year pact. Then we can revisit and see if it's the way to go long-term.

 

Once hand outs are given they never go away.


Single payer would cost more per year than Afghanistan and Iraq over the last 15 years. Medicare fraud alone costs about half as much as Iraq and Afghanistan do per year.

 

Two years does not allow enough time to properly evaluate the system. A different compromise is to allow Single Payer as an opt in for anyone who chooses to go with it while leaving the existing system still in place. The only requirement being that everyone must be covered by some kind of healthcare of their choice.

That way it will be possible to compare the systems side by side and We the People will end up making the decision by whichever system is the most cost effective. It would well end up with both systems continuing to exist with Single Payer covering basic care for all and a second, more expensive system, for those who want extended coverage.

 

Assumes extremist alt right disinformation not in evidence.

 

On edit, I hate to admit this, but Rand Paul has a size problem. In this age of TV, he'll look insignificant on a debate stage with Trump. Obviously he's much smarter, and I like his antiwar rhetoric.

Kasich is too kumbaya.

 

You are never a liberal

 

I are not? I never are?

Thanks!

But yeah, I voted Democrat for years.

 

Yeah, liberal comedians suck because they have no subversive qualities. I hate liberalism. Leftism is where it's at. The rise of the left in the US swallowing up the centrists and democrats is uplifting, and candidates like Sanders that are good at mobilizing and energizing their base contribute more to the movement than we lose by alienating people who despise change.

 

Don't buy it for a second

 

I don't blame Kimmel using his stage to make a political point. He probably knows that its going to turn away some of his audience that he doesn't stay independent and takes a very firm political stance on something important as our nation's healthcare. At least he has legitimate reason to poke his head into the argument and isn't afraid to be honest with his audience. I find some late night hosts like Colbert and Trevor Noah to be some of the most disingenuous people in the media right now with their relentless atttacks on Trump and the GOP while giving Democrats and Hillary Clinton a complete free pass of any criticism. They have to play to their audience and after the 2016 election, if they haven't been woken up by now to whats really happening in this country they are going to be clueless forever.

I think Kimmel is doing the right thing here. He is more or less just trying to make the argument that not everyone in the country is fortunate enough to have the resources their disposal that he has. And sometimes life throws you a curve ball that you won't be ready for. Nobody is arguing that you won't get treated. But theres no reason why a person or their family should go broke to pay a medical bill, especially if its no fault of their own. Thats all Kimmel is trying to say here, and I think it's a noble cause he is taking up.

 

LOL! I'm embarrassed by it. Why would I lie about doing something in the past that I now find embarrassing?

 

I don't completely disagree, and I didn't mean to say that he was wrong on the merits.

But it's not just the healthcare debate. Liberal media stars and the Left are pounding Trump relentlessly, for cheap laughs from an adoring audience, never come to his defense on anything ever that I can see, and by implication insult everyone who has decided to give the man a chance. No less than Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton asked their supporters to do. SNL is the worst, having taken up this absurd golden shower party story and making jokes that assume that there is a factual basis to it.

Some criticisms are well founded, but voting for a liberal at this point puts me in the same camp as a bunch of rabid, preachy, self-righteous dogs.

 

Assumes unintelligent alt left. Propaganda is not evidence.