The Loss of the HMS Hood

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  1. APACHERAT

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    A warhead projectile can only penetrate one deck at a time.
     
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    The jet of plasma can penetrate as many decks as it can melt through.
     
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    At one deck at a time. ;)
     
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    And several decks in total.

    Have you ever seen what a large HEAT warhead will do to a tank?
     
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    A tank is not a WW2 battleship that was design to handle shells weight in as must as a small car hitting at thousands of miles an hour.

    An once more modern anti ship missiles are not design to deal with ww2 battleship armor.
     
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    And those shells used kinetic energy in total to defeat armor. They didn’t use chemical energy like a HEAT warhead does.

    Do you know why tanks stopped using homogenous steel armor and went to ceramic composites and depleted uranium? Because they couldn’t survive when tank shells went from solid kinetic energy penetrators to HEAT warheads either.
     
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    Once more could you design a heat warhead to deal with the amount of armor a WW2 battleship carry yes indeed however is a current heat round design to deal with the must thinner or even zero armor of current warships deal with a WW2 battleship hell no.
     
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    Russian HEAT warhead anti-ship missile’s are designed to kill or permanently cripple a nuclear supercarrier with a single hit. They are meant to cut through a dozen steel decks at a time, spreading fire through each deck they cut.
     
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    An does a modern super carrier carry the armor belts of a WW2 battleship and the answer once more is hell no.

    The design of a carrier killer warhead is also depending on the carrier needing to be carrying millions of gallon of jet fuel and large amount of bombs that are not being protected to the same degree as the shells of a battleship.
     
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    Do you think a dozen decks, each 2 to 3 inches of steel, are more or less than battleship armor?
     
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    One hell of a lot less then the layers of heavy armor around the vitals of a WW2 battleship.

    To say nothing of such a battleship is not full to the brim with jet fuel and aircraft bombs.
     
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    Instead, it’s full to the brim with powder magazines and shells.

    24 inches or 36 inches of armor is a hell of a lot more than what a battleship had on its turrets (17 inches for an Iowa).

    All it would take is one HEAT warhead to penetrate a battleship turret and then catastrophic magazine explosion.
     
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    Sorry but battleships are design not to allow a hit on the turret or an accident for that matter in a turret to set off the ship magazines.

    The power and shells are kept far far below the turret and only a few shell and the power is brought up at the time of firing by a lift.

    Only god and the designers know how many blast barriers are between the turrets an the magazine to keep a chain reaction from occurring.

    Here is Video of the battleship Iowa when the black power inside a turret went off.



    Killing the turret crew but not greatly harming the ship itself.



    Footnote one of the reasons or at least theory that so many Brit ships in the WW1 battle of Jutland was lost was that in order to fired more rapidly some of the crew did not close the blasts windows/barriers
     
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    Those barriers are again meant for kinetic energy penetrators, not jets of plasma from a HEAT warhead.
     
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    Not true. The powder room and shell room are separated with the usual arrangement with powder room at a lower level, usually below the waterline and easily flooded if needed. The shells themselves are fairly resistant to sympathetic detonation. There are also multiple layers of steel to penetrate with lots of space between them till you get to the main belt itself which will significantly reduce the effect of a HEAT warhead. There's lot of problems with using HEAT in big warheads including calculating the correct standoff distance for detonation and the fusing itself. The faster the missile/rocket, the more problematic this becomes. You also have to remember the angle of impact. Thirty degrees from perpendicular effectively doubles the armor thickness.
     
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    Spaced armor essentially negated simple HEAT warheads. So did perforated armor be it rolled homogenous or cemented.
     
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    Sorry but only inside of a cartoon is a missile going to penetrate a battleship turret intact and them do a sharp turn to follow the narrow shell lift path down for a hundred or more feet through one blast barrier after another to the power and shell rooms.

    The most any such weapon could do is ruin one turret and killed it crew.
     
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    Russian anti-ship missiles are intended to conduct a top down attack.
     
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    Good luck once more with that kind of attack doing any serous harm to a ww2 battleship.

     
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    7.25 inches versus HEAT warheads designed to penetrate a dozen decks 2 to 3 inches thick apiece (24 to 36 inches). So 3 to 5 times the penetration capability needed.
     
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    An once more then it is over with as the power and shells are kept below the water line a hundred feet or more below the turret with one armor layer after another so at best one of the turrets will be taken out and 80 percents of the warship is still fully combat ready.

    An that is assuming that the hit is at the top of the turret and the vulcan guns did not take the missile our short of the ship.

     
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    Which means what exactly what? Do you know the difference between horizontal protection and vertical protection and what type of armor is used? Big money says you don't.
     
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    You're not going to get even close to that. Laughable and another Russian pie in the sky claim.
     
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    I must admit that I find the petty comments by internet warriors a little problematic. Those that died on the Hood derive better than this childishness.
     
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    We wouldn't be writing about it if it wasn't to honor the men who served on all the ships involved at the Denmark straits. So shove it.
     

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