The Monsanto Gen Technique Mafia and its methods!

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So people should just blindly consume what they are feeding? Personally, I am opting out of being their lab rat.
     
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    It's a total scam. Same if the virus protection companies create a new virus and require you to pay a fee to remove the virus.
     
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    What evidence supports the assertion that the USA is "rubber-stamping" this stuff where safety and efficacy are concerned? The concerns I see being raised seem to pertain rather to "super weeds" evolving in response to the GMO crop + heavy herbicide use. That's a very different concern.
     
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    And you don't need to be an expert on all things, but in this day and age with all the information we have access to there's little to no good excuse for being knowledgable about the things you can control. Otherwise, you're just being apathetic and/or lazy.

    The same thing can probably said for most companies, which is why I rely on my local extension office and others across the country. The offices and agents I've worked with have been fantastic and their websites are a wealth of information. Here's the one I rely on in Virginia (c/o Virginia Tech & Virginia State universities):

    https://ext.vt.edu/

    Every state's got one and your taxes are paying for them. Why not use them?
     
  5. Durandal

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    I don't know why you would assume that you are a lab rat. Why does everyone think that GMOs have not been tested and found safe for consumption?
     
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    That is not at all comparable. This is equivalent to claiming that Monsanto is creating the pests that their pesticide eradicates, and that is not at all the case. This is a company offering a crop designed to be selectively resistant to an herbicide, making for a more effective crop + herbicide combination.
     
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    Depending on the outcome, it could be a major loss for Monsanto. Maybe that's why they let Bayer buy them up.
     
  8. Durandal

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    Very interesting. That is one to keep an eye on!
     
  9. Curious Always

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    I'm not saying the information is unavailable, I'm saying that most people don't have the time to research every single thing they do, so we rely on experts.

    To the extent I'm able, I shop from companies who are good citizens, who don't abuse animals, who have policies consistent with general human decency, etc., but to keep constant vigilance takes near constant research, and even if I had the perfect, constantly-updated list, I still face the problem of lack of diversity and often have to choose between bad and bad.

    Multiply that by the number of choices we must make in a day. There's just not enough time to be an expert in all things. Monsanto says round up is good, so I immediately know it's crap. I don't use it. My not using round up doesn't help much, though.

    Everyone has their personal pet project and can't believe nobody else is aware. I have friends who snicker at anyone who uses disposable chop sticks. They think it's a huge risk to the environment. Other people think it's whale killings. We all have our thing. Nobody can take every environmental issue and make them a priority. We pick and choose. It's eerily similar to politics. I think corruption is the biggest issue that the proles should be tackling, but I'm fighting a losing battle against abortion and gay marriage.
     
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    Fingers crossed. I think the entire planet would benefit from the destruction of Monsanto and its' evilness.
     
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    https://usrtk.org/the-fda-does-not-test-whether-gmos-are-safe/

    In recent testimony before Congress, the FDA stated that it is “confident that the GE foods in the U.S. marketplace today are as safe as their conventional counterparts.”[1]

    However, FDA does not itself test whether genetically engineered foods are safe. The FDA has repeatedly made this clear. As Jason Dietz, a policy analyst at FDA explains about genetically engineered food: “It’s the manufacturer’s responsibility to insure that the product is safe.”[2] Or, as FDA spokesperson Theresa Eisenman said, “it is the manufacturer’s responsibility to ensure that the [GMO] food products it offers for sale are safe…”[3]

    Nor does the FDA require independent pre-market safety testing for genetically engineered food. As a matter of practice, the agrichemical companies submit their own studies to the FDA as part of a voluntary “consultation.” Moreover, the FDA does not require the companies to submit full and complete information about these studies. Rather, as the FDA has testified, “After the studies are completed, a summary of the data and information on the safety and nutritional assessment are provided to the FDA for review.”[4]

    That the FDA does not see the complete data and studies is a problem, according to a Biotechnology and Genetic Engineering Reviews article by William Freese and David Schubert:

    the FDA never sees the methodological details, but rather only limited data and the conclusions the company has drawn from its own research….the FDA does not require the submission of data. And, in fact, companies have failed to comply with FDA requests for data beyond that which they submitted initially. Without test protocols or other important data, the FDA is unable to identify unintentional mistakes, errors in data interpretation, or intentional deception…[5]

    At the end of the consultation, the FDA issues a letter ending the consultation. Here is a typical response from FDA, in its letter to Monsanto about its MON 810 Bt corn:

    Based on the safety and nutritional assessment you have conducted, it is our understanding that Monsanto has concluded that corn products derived from this new variety are not materially different in composition, safety, and other relevant parameters from corn currently on the market, and that the genetically modified corn does not raise issues that would require premarket review or approval by FDA…. as you are aware, it is Monsanto’s responsibility to ensure that foods marketed by the firm are safe, wholesome and in compliance with all applicable legal and regulatory requirements.[6]
     
  12. Curious Always

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    We could save a lot of money by eliminating the FDA. They don't add value, IMO.
     
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    They definitely don't do much in protecting the consumer regarding food. As for drug regulations, I'm not sure. Probably a mixed bag on that, but that's just guessing, giving them the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    Go the opposite direction and make them tougher if you're really concerned about food quality.
     
  15. Curious Always

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    The FDA drug approval process is crap. Companies have to submit tens of thousands of pages for someone to read. Do you believe someone is in a cubicle somewhere reading 100K pages on proposed drug X to see if it's approval worthy? It's a sham of an agency. (One of many sham agencies in our federal government, IMO.)
     
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    Can't happen, since the lobbyists for the food industry (ie. Monsanto,) are the people who write policy regarding food safety. The same way insurance lobbyists write health care policy.
     
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    Well said, bro. :beer:

    An ag company that makes and sells products that aren't healthy and productive isn't going to last long in that industry.

    I live in a hot and humid area that has some serious blight issues (most particularly fireblight, which is hell on apple trees) and I can't say enough good things about the hybrids I've grown over the years. From watermelons to tomatoes to apples, they've consistently been the most productive and disease & blight resistant plants I grow and they usually produce the best tasting fruit and vegetables, too.
     
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    I completely disagree on this point. The tomatoes in the grocery store today are crap compared to the tomatoes from 30 years ago. In general, fruits and vegetables are pathetic compared to those of the past.
     
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    Hybrids are not GMOs.
     
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    I hate to break the news to you and everyone else here but unless you and/or people you know are growing your own food you ARE a lab rat blindly consuming what other people are feeding you.

    That's why I prefer to grow as much as my own food as I can, but as far as the 99.99% of Americans who qualify as lab rats we're doing pretty good, aren't we?

    The fact that most Americans don't even think about the food they eat says a lot about our ag sector and the agencies monitoring their products...
     
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    You haven't tasted the hybrid Best Boy tomatoes I'm growing - they are to die for...
     
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    Hybrids are not organic, either.
     
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    I prefer non-hybrids simply because I like to save seeds. That being said, some things, such as a bush style spaghetti squash, are only available as hybrids.

    My watermelons, though, are heirloom and get better every year as my seeds acclimate to my soil and weather conditions. I save some seeds from the best melon every year. Every year my melons are bigger, tastier and more productive.
     
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    I grow organically, but don't worry about whether the seeds are or not.

    GMOs are a concern for me, not hybrids.
     
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    No one can honestly claim that it is safe for consumption. At best, you may say that there is no known health hazard. How many things deemed "safe and effective" turned out to be harmful over time? The only advantage of GMOs is to increase profit. Make things grow heavier, quicker, and cheaper! I can't help but notice that Americans are growing heavier much quicker. Since there are no 90 year-olds who grew up consuming this product, your children are the lab rats. Mine are not.
     

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