The moon landing is fake.

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The 800 lb GORILLA in the room that you DARE NOT deal with is the same one that crops up IN ALL asinine conspiracy theories.

    It is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a conspiracy this massive a secret without there being a CREDIBLE whistleblower!

    There are NONE to be found!

    The Russians would have had to fly through the exact same radiation belts and would have announced if the radiation was too lethal for humans to withstand. They send up plenty of probes to the moon and did in fact circle the moon with a probe carrying a pair of tortoises in 1968.

    Why didn't the Russians blow the whistle on the moon landings if they were impossible?
     
  2. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    And you are dismissing it because it doesn't fit in with your bullshit. If it was bogus info, as has been pointed out to you, commercial satellite operators would be having problems with their space hardware. It isn't just NASA that analyses space. The Zond 5 mission reported the same findings.

    http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/864491/files/p484.pdf

    No, what you should have done was shut up 10 years ago before you spammed every forum on the planet.

    There are no anomalies. There are only extremely poor and badly thought out claims.

    Sharing your thoughts on the matter means nothing. You have routinely shown by your posts that you lack any integrity in debate. The information has been gathered, ongoing, by multiple space agencies for 50 years. That is a colossal number of people to forge this data. Cosmologists and astrophysicists can easily assess expected levels simply from using models of solar radiation. It isn't just NASA, it is the entire space community. Commercial hardware relies on these data to assess what levels of shielding and protection for their onboard electronics.

    No, that is ignorant spam.

    In itself a lie.

    There are no discrepancies.

    Another lie.

    And another lie.

    I am not aware of any involving the Apollo missions, but retracting statements is public relations related, not indicative of fakery.

    Hogwash.

    How very grandiose to label themselves as "investigators" - the reality is that this kind of person is an internet phoney who fumbles around with no clue.

    That is an embodiment of the Moon hoax claimants.

    A lie.

    Another lie. The only reference to this is the hundred times you have spammed and lied that paragraph around the internet.
     
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  3. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    How do you know this info isn't bogus? To be sure it's real, you'd have to have been one of the insiders who were actually working on the projects. To you it's just second-hand info.

    You have a naive willingness to believe when you look at info that supports the official version and you have an a priori incredulity when you look at info that supports the hoax theory. Your logic would get you laughed out of the debating hall.
     
  4. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    I already explained. You just glossed over the proven reason. The data from solar emissions is measurable from the surface.

    "The information has been gathered, ongoing, by multiple space agencies for 50 years. That is a colossal number of people to forge this data. Cosmologists and astrophysicists can easily assess expected levels simply from using models of solar radiation. It isn't just NASA, it is the entire space community. Commercial hardware relies on these data to assess what levels of shielding and protection for their onboard electronics."

    You have an urgent need to be accepted by your peers. I suspect you were bullied at school or something to make you so needy of this. You have no practical capacity to assess contrary evidence, in fact your overwhelming impulse is to reject it without exception or understanding. You have spent most of the last decade ignoring every debunk of every point on your wall of spam. You routinely make false allegations about people, based on your inept understanding and poorly thought out arguments.

    If you and I were in a debating hall, I would tear you a dozen new ones. I know much of the science around this subject, you know none of it. One of the many things you claim, that has been proven to be a complete lie, is that you are a truther. You are the complete opposite of that.
     
  5. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Ever notice that one of the primary requirements for being a conspiracy believer is to have no relevant subject matter qualifications whatsoever?

    The BLOTUS is a classic example of someone who believes in conspiracies because he knows nothing whatsoever about the subject matter.
     
  6. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Here's another example of your defective thinking.

    http://apollotruth.atspace.co.uk/
    This is second-hand info. Tell us how you're in a position to know whether this really happened or not. My position is that I'm not one hundred percent sure.


    Hey Derideo_Te...

    Start watching the video in post #13 at the 2:35 time mark. Betamax says that it's impossible to duplicate the movement of the Apollo flag here on Earth by trotting by a piece of hanging cloth at about a forty five degree angle. Do you agree with him?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-moon-landing-is-fake.553296/#post-1070428985
     
  7. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    You are as inept at judging the thinking of others as you are at thinking.

    It is hearsay and the only reference to it is spammed by you. I don't need to disprove that Goldin said that. You have the burden of proof to substantiate your argument, making up quotes or the context in which they are spoken is deliberate deception - you do this all the time.

    Any excuse to spam the thousand times repeated claim. This below is what happens when a large object passes by fabric:-



    Scott/Cosmored arm-waves this away because it refutes his claim. The Apollo 15 flag is either of these:-
    An optical blooming effect from the Vidicon camera.
    Static electricity.
    Kicked regolith striking the pole.
    The pole(only recently and not fully inserted) dropping gently into its housing from ground vibration.

    What specific reason stops you from filming such a thing and uploading the video?
     
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  8. Scott

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    Hey Derideo_Te

    Are you going to say whether you agree with what Betamax said here?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nd-the-apollo-15-flag.438617/#post-1065702974

    This has all been discussed before in the other thread.

    Viewers...

    Click on the above link to see the discussion.
     
  9. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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  10. Scott

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    Do you mean this?
    I've addressed this several times on this forum so I figured you were just playing games but I'll address it again.

    http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html
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    Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
    Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
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    The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
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    Everyone should read Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.
    https://zcomm.org/wp-content/uploads/zbooks/www/chomsky/sam/sam-3-1.html
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    On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker+cold+war&aq=f
     
  11. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    It was a CONSPIRACY to cover up another CONSPIRACY?

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

    Conspiracy whackos are so PRECIOUS!
     
  12. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Are you ever going to answer the question I asked you in post #33?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Given that you have managed to flush your credibility down the toilet what would be gained by wasting time on yet another asinine conspiracy?
     
  14. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    You can't agree with him because you know he's wrong and you'll look silly but you can't disagree with him either. By tap dancing around this question instead of answering it you destroy your credibility. Neither of you has any credibility. You two can pretend all you want.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    You destroyed your own credibility when you tried to explain away one bovine excrement conspiracy with another bovine excrement conspiracy.

    That is your problem, not mine.
     
  16. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Let's take a poll. Everyone look at what Betamax said in post #33.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...landing-is-fake.553296/page-2#post-1070452094

    I'll make what he said very clear. Start watching this video at the 2:35 time mark.

    Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings.


    He says that it's impossible to duplicate the movement of the Apollo flag here on earth by trotting past a hanging piece of cloth at about a forty five degree angle.

    I've tried it and I duplicated the movement. Who says it's possible and who says it's not possible?
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Love this crap.

    Astronomers have been bouncing lasers off the mirrors left by Apollo 11and 15 astronauts for decades - hell, Chinese astronomers just completed a test to measure the distance to the moon - but somehow it’s all been faked ?.... WTF.
     
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  18. Scott

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    No you did not and you never address why!

    The use of unmanned craft to do this involves at least 3 missions to be launched and tracked, with a team to design and one to build.

    There is not a scrap of evidence for any of them.

    Why are you still spamming this bullshit 10 years on!? You don't care whether he agrees or not, it's an excuse to cut and paste your hogwash.
     
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    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    Post the video online. Your claims are fraudulent, it would be impossible to see any movement anyway, so close and so quick.
     
  21. Scott

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    I'll copy and paste what I said about this in post #19.



    The fact that it's possible for unmanned craft to do it means that, if there really are reflectors on the moon, reflectors are not proof that there were people on the moon. If it was done with classified missions, we wouldn't know about it and there wouldn't be any evidence that we were in a position to see. This is pretty basic. I don't know how you can say what you said with a straight face.


    Everybody who does this simple experiment at home can see that you're wrong so there's no need for me to go to the trouble. You made a video with a hanging cloth (post #32). You didn't create the same conditions as the Apollo conditions because it would have proven you wrong. You're used to making videos. What's keeping you from doing it to prove me wrong?


    You're really getting desperate if you're saying lame things like this. Why is the movement in the Apollo video so clear and easy to see? What would the difference be if everything were set up to exactly duplicate the conditions?
     
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    Spam - what motivates anyone to behave this way?

    Pathetic response and illustrating exactly what I said.
    The use of unmanned craft to do this involves at least 3 missions to be launched and tracked, with a team to design and one to build. There is not a scrap of evidence for any of them. "Classified missions" still need very big rockets to reach the Moon and they need one of the few launch windows available to get to the point where they need to.

    You can wave your arms around all you like, but you have zero evidence for any of that.

    I did the simple experiment and it you are lying. You won't "go to the trouble" because you know it won't do what you claim.



    That is what you said proved your case! Clearly it does not. Your failure to address it honestly is proof you will never be able to resolve your mistakes.

    You have been given something wafting by a hanging cloth. If you rotate that scenario around 90 degrees, it mimics something going past a flag - YOU are the one afraid to put your video up. BUT, even if you did, and even if you managed to get it do the crap you say it does:-

    If your proof that the Moon landings were hoaxed is a small snippet of video from one mission where you think it behaves like air, where it also behaves like a number of other things and subsequent bodily contact, then you are deluding yourself once again. From a purely scientific standpoint, if you were 100% successful in showing that a flag behaves exactly that way, all you have done is proved that a tiny fragment of isolated video COULD have been faked. Hardly conclusive now is it? 382kg of lunar samples, that's conclusive even if that was all there were. But there are copious scientific reports, video, transcripts, photographs and third party evidence. What can hoax claimants do with the real evidence? Bluff at showing how maybe small segments of it could have been done, but offering no direct proof of that.

    Spam comment. You haven't an original sentence left. Nothing you say has not been spammed in the previous 10 years. YOU are not qualified to judge anything, let alone what is and isn't "lame".

    It is easy to see, but you dishonestly deny the movement of the pole and the terrain itself!

    On the Moon? The same would occur.
     
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    This is one of the lamest tactics you've used yet. I address a claim very clearly and you say I didn't address it. I show you where I did in fact address it and you continue to claim I didn't.

    You also say the movement of the Apollo flag is impossible to duplicate here on earth in spite of the fact that anyone who tries it will see that it is possible.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-apollo-15-flag.438617/page-2#post-1065710796

    It's plain that you're not here to seek the truth but to obfuscate it. It's plain that you're not a serious poster. Once this is clear to the viewers, there's really no point in wasting time talking to you.
     
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    Chew in this: 'You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.'?????
     
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    For a supposed English language teacher, you seem to have problems understanding English.

    There is NO evidence for your claim. THAT is what you have not, nor ever will address!

    Repeat spam. Show everybody your video doing this. I showed mine. I wafted an object past a cloth and it didn't do what you said it would do. Your pathetic obfuscation for this is that it isn't vertical! You cannot explain why, without shooting your claim down in flames.

    Spam response. YOU are not a truth seeker, you are as dishonest a poster as there could be. You avoid anything that proves you wrong. What you regard as serious is of no interest to me. You waste the internet's time with your 10 year spam quest and abject failure to own your countless errors.
     

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