The Nazis were not a left wing liberal progressive party

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  1. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, if anytime anyone made a claim they said, "go and and buy this book for $25 and then read the 850 pages, the evidence for my claim is somewhere in there", we'd never get anywhere. It is, in essence, providing a link to a source that is available to subscribers only. "Yeah, here's my evidence, but to see it you'll have to pay $30/month." We don't allow that.

    And so it's probably just that he talked about it, not that he planned it.
     
  2. MVictorP

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    Well, a century isn't enough. There is still too much hysteria about the nazis and Hitler, even after all these years. Nazis are still used to give "evil" a visage, and therefore all that the nazis ever did was evil. If one doesn't enthusiastly agrees with that, he can be thrown to jail or deported for his opinion, depending on the country he is in, with a zeal that would put ISIS to shame.

    In truth, there were, and there is still today regimes and political method that could be descendant of the nazis - but we the Nazi-hysteria is so strong we don't even see them, refering to the nazis times as "uncomparable". This view is, IMO, worse in WASP country - these German reeeaaaalllly did a fright on you guys and your hegemony.
     
  3. Windigo

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    Hitler talks about both allying with Rissia or invading Rusdia. He also talks about allying with the west or invading the west. He considered both options to be mutually exclusive regarding attacking both without the alliance of the other as s suicidal repeat of WWI. While you can look at the theoretical Mein Kampf for evidence of why Hitler chose to invade Russia a book written in 1925 is pure out of context cherry picking. Hitler invaded Russia because of Soviet military buikd up. If Mein Kampf tellszus anything its that his had was forced through shrewd play by Stalin as he regarded an invasion of Russia without an alliance with the west as suicide.
     
  4. Windigo

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    Most of the western left is fascist today. Only a few forum loons talk about public ownership of the means of production. So long as you support the leftist causes and the party they will not only let you keep ownership of your business they will help you monopolize you industry because they would rather one or a few party loyalists control a whole sector than let the free market control it.

    That is fascism just about every leftist you meet and everyone of them save for the few die hard commies on this forum are fascist. But they like to call it a muxed economy or market socialism. But its really just fascism. Fascism lost WWII but ultimately won the war with the commies for control of the left.
     
  5. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Why is it that rather than a credible rebut from a conservative I always get something that starts off as a lame attempt at an insult then nonsense that has nothing to do with what I wrote?

    The fact of the matter is that all over the United States are "Aryan Nation" white supremacists militia groups. All of them, to a man, are gun toting, minority hating, bible thumping, science denying, whinny, complaining conservatives. There is not a liberal among them. They are the ones that have taken the" government is bad" conservative line to the extreme. To claim that they are anything other than the extreme version of modern American conservatism is burying your head in the sand and denying the obvious.
     
  6. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read. Can't come up with a credible argument to discount the left so you just come up with this garbage? Conservatives have no positive ideas do they? Just nonsense and hate. Try reading a scholarly book rather than listening to the crap you've been listening to.
     
  7. garyd

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    Nor are they Republicans. To complain that they are conservatives in the modern American sense of the term is at best ludicrous and at worst disingenuous.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Oh come on what he has written far better reflects our current reality than anything you've said. And your refusal to except reality as it is rather than as you'd like it to be and yur reponses to accurate commentary on the subject mark you as the real hater here.
     
  9. ImNotOliver

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    I guess that they listen to and quote the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Mark Levine have nothing to do with their political leanings. The fact that they have hunted down and killed liberal talk show hosts and spokesmen has nothing to do with their political leanings either. Listen to their rhetoric, sounds a whole lot like what the conservatives on this forum write. Deny it all you want but those in America who call themselves Aryan are clearly on the right side of the political fence. Maybe one day you'll wake up and realize that underlying the Christian morality and grand conservative values is a whole lot of delusion, hate, and disinformation. The Aryans are just more up front about it.

    By the way, both of your tag lines are falsehoods. But then you weren't looking for honesty with your lame attempt at discrediting the straw man you hate so much, were you?
     
  10. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    There you go again spewing that free flowing leftist hate again. If there listening to anything it is the likes of Alex Jones and Stormfront. The fact that you thing my tags are false only shows me that your connection to reality is tenuous at best.
     
  11. ImNotOliver

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    Doesn't work. Your lame attempt. You are in the wrong here and you don't even have the fortitude to offer a counter argument. Oh boo hoo your claim that I'm not accepting reality does nothing to counter the fact that you have no counter argument, you have nothing, you are a conservative and you are wrong.




    Freudian slip on your part? Or am I talking over your head?
     
  12. Strasser

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    True. Most people don't realize there were major differences between liberalism and progressive platforms. Most people would be surprised to learn that Herbert Hoover was a progressive, and moved around in the DuPont Circle crowd.

    Certainly populist, anyway; it was strongly linked to the Womens' Rights movement, among other influences. Given how prevalent drunkenness was , along with the family violence that went along with it, it was a worthwhile cause at the time. Americans' per capita consumption of booze was two or three times that of Europe's, and that was a lot.
     
  13. ImNotOliver

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    Again no argument. You have yet to counter my point, which started this, that those who walk the Aryan line are on the right side of the political fence. There is nothing honest that you can produce to prove otherwise. Call me names all you want, we both know who is in the wrong on this issue. You clearly have had no contact with these people and you are ignorant of what they are about.

    You must know; that the conservative propagandists have been putting much effort, for years to confuse the issue as to what fascist, nazis, communists, socialists and everything else really is. Makes it easier to lead you around. That is why you have no counter argument. One hasn't been brainwashed into you.
     
  14. garyd

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    It is your brain that is laundered, you assume that because some leftist, Stalinist lackey spouting the lie first propounded by Stalin that the Nazis are right of center that it must be true. I having read Mein Kampf and Das Kapital note that the differences between the views of both is limited. Both despised Christianity, both believed that they could save workers from the Bourgeoisie, in reality both philosiphies proved to be death traps for everyone and turned into totalitarian states of the worst order. What differences there are as to policy are minute at best.
     
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    Scholarly book? No I prefer to read the actual authors of ideas such as Gentile when it comes to fascism. I dont need an academic to tell me what to think. I'm not stupid. Stupid people need academics to tell them what to think. The modern left are nothing but fascists. They no longer seek public ownership of the means of production only that the means of production be in the hands of party loyalists. That is fascism. I hate to break your bubble ... Ah hell who am I kidding I love breaking your bouble. All you can do in response is rant. I'm not even going to bother reporting you. You aren't worth it.
     
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    Post number 205
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    Seriously you cant write comedy this good.
     
  17. ImNotOliver

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    And which bubble or bouble is it that you are breaking. What you are describing, what you are calling fascism has absolutely nothing to do with modern American liberalism. It has nothing to do with modern American politics. That you claim "the modern left are nothing but fascists" does nothing more than than display your ignorance, and most likely willful ignorance about the modern American left. You might as well be claiming that we have blue skin and antenna coming out of our heads. You better be careful, that light coming out of the end of my finger just might turn into a deadly laser.
     
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    And again, you, like Windigo, who can't back up your claims that those who follow the Aryan line are leftists. So you just keep coming back to an argument that has nothing to do with your initial false claims. You can go on and on about Fascism, Nazism. communism, ism, ism ism... but they have nothing to do with the topic at hand and nothing at all to do with the modern American left.

    Fact of the matter is, I have some intimate knowledge of the Aryan brotherhood. My children used to play with Bruce Pierce's children. They spout the same anti-government line as the tea party folks are so fond of. They view Christianity as the holder of truth. They are the most ardent supporters of the 2nd amendment, possessing a dizzying array of weapons. Concerning illegal immigrants not only do they want to send them back to where they came from, they want to send them back in body bags. They follow a right wing ideology gone, far, far, to the right.

    Read about them here http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12615628
     
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    You are just showing your ignorance of the subject. You keep using the term Ayran Nation which is a defunct religious group in the Pacific Northwest. They are in no way representative of Nazis or neo-nazis. They are just something you picked up in popular culture because Hollywood over uses the term Ayran Nation. You then referred to the Ayran Brotherhood, the prison gang and organized crime syndicate as if it and the religious group Ayran Nation were one and rhe same.

    its pretty clear that you are making this (*)(*)(*)(*) up based on what you have sern in movies and TV shows. The lie about your kids doesn't fly either.
     
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    Sorry that doesn't make them the same. It's like saying all populists are the same. The difference sir is that the Aryan types are criminals while the TEA partiers are, in the main, shop keepers. The Aryans groups want the government to put them in the catbird sit they think their grand daddies had back in the days of segregation and Jim Crow while what the TEA party wants is the government to leave them the hell alone.
     
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    Nothing like the arrogance of ignorance.
     
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    And what part of going off to live in the wilderness so that the government will leave them the hell alone is so different? The main difference, as I see it, is the Aryans had balls, the tea party are a bunch of out of touch whining sissies.
     
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    The Aryan Nations are a criminal Enterprise. The TEA Party are Buisness people who feel like that regulatory overburden gives an unfair advantage to their corporate competitors. They are right. And you calling anyone else arrogant is more akin to pot porcelain than pot kettle.
     
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    Oh I am arrogent. Its hard not to be when you are as intelligent, handsome and gifted as I am. I'm the man you wish you were. I also noticed you didn't deny my assertion that your little anecdote about your kids was a lie.
     
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    See, the Fuhrer was a genius. The reason he called the party the National Socialist German Workers Party was so that he would attract the attention of both the right and the left. He even called Nazis social democrats once so that that group would join him. Technically speaking, he wasn't left or right, neither hot nor cold, just right.
     

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