The New Climate Reality

#1868. IUCN data. Goodbye.

 

A taxpayer funded study that claims something is because of climate change has a 97% probability of being totally full of something, and a 100% probability of either using fudged data or doing the fudging as part of the "study." To get another taxpayer funded study, your last fraud fudge job must promote the co2 fraud....

 

For the second time…..

 

As Antarctica moved tectonically from attached to South Africa to the South Pole, a lot of life was lost. Climate change is about where land is. Land that moves from habitable zones to polar circles can ice up, but that is tectonics not atmosphere and hence not co2....

 

yes and also where cold salt water is at the ice caps.
The increase in ice around an ice cap ( Antartica ) is directly related to rise in temperatures which increases the moisture content which condenses as fresh water which decreases the salinity of the ocean waters resulting in more ice. Anyone who lives on a coastline in the north where fresh water converges with the ocean knows the ice freeze is greater because of it.

It’s not rocket science and is observable in cold weather ving places other then Antartica.

The increase moisture content also results in more snowfall which shows up as snow ice. This ALL occurs because the temperature is increasing but still, below water freezing temps, which the Antarctic is noted for.

 

Temperatures are falling.

NASA Surface Station Data Show East Antarctica NOT WARMING Past 4 Decades…Cooling Trend

By P Gosselin on 7. March 2021

By Kirye and Pierre Today we update 12 stations located at the eastern side of Antarctica, where surface temperatures are colder than those located near the peninsula: Chart: NASA-GISS. Below the NASA data from the 12 stations are plotted going back almost 4 decades, to 1983. The first chart has 4 of the stations, and […]

 

The data are otherwise.


More Evidence Antarctica Has Been Cooling, Regional Sea Ice Increasing For Over 40 Years
By Kenneth Richard on 27. September 2021

A new study (Kumar et al., 2021) reports the “overall SST trend in the Weddell Sea is negative” since 1979 and this has occurred in tandem with “the expansion of SIE [sea ice extent].” Another new study (King et al., 2021) reports the oldest temperature stations in Antarctica show a cooling/non-warming trend since 1956. Antarctica […]

Posted in Antarctic, Cooling/Temperature, Sea Ice | 6 Responses


Body Of Evidence: All Of Antarctica Is Cooling… Peninsula Cooling Since Long Before Greta Was Born
By P Gosselin on 19. September 2021

The IPCC 6th Report seems to have missed a lot, hasn’t it? Recent publications since the 5th Report show ALL OF ANTARCTICA, including the peninsula, has cooled since the late 1990s. Friday I wrote about how the entire continent of Antarctica (except its peninsula) was found by leading scientists to be cooling significantly. The publication […]

Posted in Antarctic, Misc. | 8 Responses


Scientists Find “Surprising” And “Statistically Significant” Cooling Trend Over Entire Continental Antarctica
By P Gosselin on 17. September 2021

East Antarctica, which covers two thirds of the South Pole, has cooled a whopping 2.8°C over the past 4 decades; West Antarctica approximately 1.6°C. ..only tiny Antarctic Peninsula saw statistically insignificant warming. German climate website Die kalte Sonne posted its 64th climate video here and examined a new paper on Antarctica by Zhu et al […]

 

I thought you were saying goodbye. Your data source is NASA.
You do know how nasa interprets the data. First, any chart can be made to look up or down for short intervals. So let’s stop playing games. I know enough math to know that all you’re doing is picking intervals.

my chart is much more representative…go back and look.

 

That was the end of that discussion. This is new. #1882 presents the newest look at Antarctic temperature. You have presented no chart.

 

In real geological terms 40 years is last night.

Please stop cherry picking.

 

Mine is obviously more accurate. Gee next time, maybe you could choose an interval over the last two hours.

 

You have to enlarge it, I did it for you.

 

Btw, be careful. I really like math and know by this feeble graph what deniers of CC do by cherry picking intervals and scale.

 

Your primary strength seems to be insults and name-calling. I'll just stick with the data.

 

Point out one insult. Saying I’m smarter because I actually trust NASA is fact, not an insult. If I call you a denier of climate change, where is that an insult. Climate change is just about rate of change ….I haven’t heard any denier of CC grasp that OBVIOUS FACT.
Seriously, it’s a little insulting to those of us who actually believe science to see the cherry picking and the arrogance in some posters who claim they know more then 3400 accredited Universities in the world. Just pointing that EVERYTIME is not name calling

 

Convicted by your own words. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the prosecution rests.
Goodnight.

 

I know what I don’t know. Because I rely on real science and not cherry pick, which is not real science. In this area, I really feel I’m smarter. Deal with it.
Thousands of industries trust NASA measurements every day….how does that make cherry pickers of evidence more trust worthy.

 

Uh, no... the red line shows a dip in 2018, and than it goes back up.
That's on par that there are frequent dips while the general trend is that it goes up.
The red line is the annual average, and averages out everything,
While your understanding remains taking 10 worst months out of +400 months.
It's obviously wrong and cherry picking.


Do note... I asked you to post the AVERYAGE ANNUAL temperature.
And you are refusing to use them.

Do you see that the your graph ends with saying "August 2021" and that the average annual temperature is missing of 2020?
You cherry picked only 5 months between 2015 and 2021 to claim it's a downward trend. That is 5 months out of 72.
That's a total joke to make any kind of conclusion out of it.

I have called you out over this plenty of times, and you got no response to my argument.
You are losing the argument because of that.

 

Neither of you has much of an understanding of the issue - if we are being honest here.

1) mean temperature rise is a terrible mesure of AGW
2) AGW is not the most pressing enviro threat -- Ocean Pollution sits in that spot.

 

Again, more cherry picking on your part.

The data doesn’t lie.
Over a longer span including the industrial revolution,
The trend is obvious, especially around continents .
This is the data, with no cherry picking since 1500. The trend is obvious.

 

post 1895

 

Human overpopulation is the runaway #1 problem behind all of it, especially the fires, which are caused by too many humans consuming too much of nature's fresh water on a planet not warming at all...

 

Correct - but you need to couple this with industrialization of non industrialized nations - as the root cause.

Over the last 25 years we industrialized roughly 600 million .. taking the total to 2 billion industrialzed .. leaving 6 Billion to go. During that time the world population grew by near 2 billion ..

First world nations reduced CO2 over the last 25 years .. yet .. the Total went from 22 Billion to 36 Billion tons/year in this time .. and continues to grow .. The entire increase due to industrializtion of China and Asia.

What is worst though - and a more pressing issue -- is during this last 25 year period Ocean Pollution went trough the roof .. Heavy metals - persistent organic pollutantes - Nitrogen (sewage and fertilizer run off) - and plastic.

Current policy does not factor either pop growth nor industrialization into the equation .. "Not in my back Yard - Dump it in the Ocean" is our policy .. perferring to source the oil that we consume from "Nambia" rather than domestic production . incentivizing and financing industrializtion.

 

Start in 2016, as I did, and see what your slope is. The point of the originally posted link was that a significant change became apparent in 2016.
I'm afraid you don't get to be a participant and scorekeeper.

 

Unlinked. Unsourced. Unimportant.
And BTW, simply confirms the trend I posted.