The North Pole just surged above freezing in the dead of winter, stunning scientists

I provided you a link to the northernmost permanent weather station.

 

Is it on the north pole?

 

lol the op link leads to this....


looks more like it never got above -18C

 

"
While Britain shivers in the “Beast from the East”, scientists say temperatures have risen above freezing repeatedly at the North Pole, reaching as high as 30C above normal for the depths of winter.

The cause is a “warm air intrusion” bringing mild and moist air. It is a common feature of Arctic weather systems but this year has been deeper and longer than normal, according to meteorologists.

The disturbance is responsible for displacing a blast of chilly Arctic air, sending it streaming over Europe. "
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ratures-soar-past-freezing-beast-east-blasts/

 

Antarctic sea ice extents are near or at record lows right now.

 

Sweet. Which ones are directly associable to anthropogenic causation and at what percentage over natural variation?

 

Please source your claim about “trillions” having been spent on this already. I’ll wait.

 

IMHO you are Zack Labe or you work with him. You make thos obvious in the threads where you use pronouns like "we" and "our " rather than they and their when talking about this reanalysis you have been pimping on the forum.

Not the first time someone has come on this forum to push their own research.

It's physically impossible for the high arctic to ever get above freezing much less what these numbuts are claiming.

State change of the ice prevents temperature form rising above 1C even in summer.

 

I'm not proposing that we do anything. I'm not sure there is any reasonable thing we can do or that we should.

Which month would you like to look at? The NH has been running above average in all of them.

Let me get this straight. You're saying humans can be responsible for a cooling effect on the Earth, but somehow we can't be responsible for a warming effect?

 

So, Ice doesn't by definition freeze. Water becomes ice because it freezes, right? Ice doesn't continue to freeze no matter how low you take the temp does it? The question about lowering ambient sea surface temps and to depths is now the crucial question, no? I would ask this question. Does a 20 year slice in time create sufficient knowledge of the potential outcomes for an ice extent to produce any real substantive value of it's knowledge?

 

All of them. From about WWII to the turn of the century the research suggests that about 50-90% of the warming was anthroprogenic. If we start at say 1980 that figure is closer to 90% with many studies claiming it is 100%.

 

It's a model. Re-analysis are models. We have a grad student looking for press trying to confuse them that his model as actual data.

The hotter he runs his model the more press he gets.

 

When you add in the cost of everything we've done around the planet to fight global warming, from light bulbs to electric cars to windmills to building code changes to banning older trucks (thanks California) plus all the taxes associated with them I'm surprised you would even ask.

The below article is from 2011 and I doubt things got cheaper since then.

 

Did you even go to school at all? You seem to have a very simplistic view of climate. Good thing people with your opinion are being ignored by the scientific community and most of America.

 

Ok, well then this is as good a time as any to ask this question...

Is your avatar a picture of milk being poured into a gym sock?

 

Its bullcrap

From the OP source

 

I admit, what I typed was confusing. Let me be precise in terminology. There is always sea ice near the north pole even in the summer. During the winter the sea ice extents increase and during the summer they decrease. Since it is winter in the NH right now it is expected that sea ice extents will be increasing. And, in fact, they are. All other things being equal which environmental conditions would you expect refreeze rates to be the highest? -40F or -30F?

 

If you are happy being willfully ignorant, there is no hope for you.

 

Show me where the north pole got above freezing, cause I dont freakn see it, in the source material

 

First, it wasn't his "model". Second, provide proof that he tinkered with it to intentionally produce a warmer result than reality.

 

Fortunately your opinion is of no import in view of the facts you choose to ignore.

 

Did you read the article? If you did you would have seen this section:

"Such extreme warm intrusions in the Arctic, once rare, are becoming more routine, research has shown. A study published last July found that since 1980, these events are becoming more frequent, longer-lasting and more intense."

No one has said the temperature at the Arctic is staying above freezing, it was as intrusion.

 

On Sunday at 12Z (5am EST) the North Pole was above freezing.

 

The scientific term for models with 50% accuracy is crapshoot. And environmental models are nowhere near 50% accuracy at this point of time.

As such this entire climate brouhaha is a matter of faith for its followers, it certainly isn't a scientifically proven fact nor it's a model confirmed by empirical evidence.

 

link please