The Opportunity (Evolution/Creation).

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Science doesn't say anything about god.

    You could say that god "does" gravity by moving things about in the way that we see (while fixing up some related stuff, perhaps).

    Do you believe god does gravity? You know he COULD do gravity. Do you know that he doesn't?

    Frankly, I think YOU decide what god does and what god doesn't do. So does every individual!
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have but wanted you to explain it yourself....please do so.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Certainly, what is your specific question.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just as you want us to explain how the Big Bang happened I ask that you explain how God created the Universe. I already know the details in Genesis just as I know the general details of the Big Bang.....so you want us to tell you where the singularity came from and I want you to tell us where God and creation came from.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've no idea and never claimed I did know.

    There is no proof of anything on either side.

    Is there anything else you would like to ask me sir?
     
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    Clearly, of the two of us, this applies more to the religious nutter than it does to the evidence based thinker (you're the religious nutter, btw)
    No you haven't. One thing you deniers all have in common is your dishonesty.
     
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    Is that supposed to be a joke? There is copious evidence for the big bang theory, and not a shred of evidence for the creation myth. How can you say such a ridiculous thing with a straight face?
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no proof as to why the Big Bang happened which is what we were talking about.

    Thanks for coming in late to the conversation and adding nothing.
     
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    Nobody knows how the Big Bang happened, or even if it did happen. The universe is expanding. That much is understood. So the Big Bang is a consequence of working backwards.

    Explaining to you how the Big Bang randomly came from nothing would be like you explaining what you had to eat a year before you were born. It’s nonsense.
     
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    Science does not answer "why" questions.

    That's one fundamental that differentiates science from religion.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its not nonsense since this is what unbelievers ask Christians all the time.
     
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    And at the same time makes them the same.
     
  13. WillReadmore

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    What do you see that you think is similar?

    I'd like to point out that religion is designed to answer "why" while science is designed to answer "how".

    The result is that the very methods of coming to a conclusion have pretty much nothing in common.
     
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    Neither can provide proof of the theory.

    Each is as possible as the other.
     
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    So, do you believe god does gravity?

    If not, why not? Obviously, a god of the Christian definition COULD do gravity.
     
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    God created everything and science helps to explain it.
     
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    And yet you're claiming to know.why...
     
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    I don't see a conflict there.
     
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    No. The reason we don't know is well understood. As we approach t=0 the universe becomes so small that the microscopic interactions of quantum theory take place. However, you're dealing with the mass of the universe which means relativity. The problem is these well tested theories don't work well together because one deals with discrete unites, the other is continuous. We're working towards a unified explanation, but that will only get back to t=0 in our universe. If it began with the Big Bang that's what we'll work back to, but it won't tell us anything about what came before that. It's impossible. Science understands it's limits, and will happily say something is unknown. Positing an explanation that can't be tested is a disingenuous way of saying I don't know.
     
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    And according to science if you can't prove something then all possibilities exist.

    None of us said that God didn't create the universe using the big bang or that he didn't create humans through evolution.

    They are not incompatible, actually they compliment each other.

    So if you want to prove God is not real you must prove the source, until you do we stand as solid as any theory.
     
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    Which all stand equally as nonsense.
     
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    Ad hom, and calling me a liar... now THAT kind of sweet talk will surely make me want to debate things, with you. :roll:

    No, responses (and posters) like this are the main reason i have despaired of having rational, scientific discussions on internet forums.

    It wouldn't be so bad, if their snarky shots had some wit to them.. but they are mere hostility.. uncolorful, boring, and unimaginative. I used to respond by saying i had a policy of not having a battle of wits with an unarmed man.. but some humorless mod found that too offensive, too.:wall:

    So... i evolve. I stop kicking against the goads, and quit, once the hateful, anti-christian, anti-science, and anti-reason hecklers start. They are like antifa, and make rational discussion impossible. So i will assume that my input is not wanted, and leave the thread to you. :no:

    :truce:
     
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    It wasn't, and i don't think you understand what that term means. And your comments are especially silly, considering all i did was explain that your insult of me is more true of you.

    You have never,not ever, reported on any scientific evidence or crebdile rebuttal to the fact that is the theory of evolution. Nor will you ever, and saying you have is a shameless lie.
     
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    Yes, the universe appearing out of nothing is nonsense.

    Something started it.
     
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    You are not following. Putting your magical explanation on the same shelf as every explanation that also has not a shred of evidence to support it is not any kind of praise for your explanation. In fact, it is the opposite.

    And why is "something from nothing" nonsense, anyway? What are you, some kind of clairvoyant voodoo priestess? "Spooky has spoken!"
     

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