The Pentagon and Wall Street have learned to ignore Trump ... finally

Who knew America had 63 million farmers?

LOL, whatever helps you get thru the next 7 years.

 

Always enjoy watching a Trump hater pretend to be a middle roader. Nobody buys it, but nice try.

 

Did you forget? It was your map and it was fairly accurate. It showed Trump's support was in the rural areas. It also showed that cosmopolitan areas, areas dominated by the middle class, entrepreneurs, and professionals supported Clinton.

Didn't you look at your own map?

 

Pompeo, Trump's choice for SecState, has defended the CIA’s use of torture during the George W. Bush administration, declaring in November 2016, “These men and women are not torturers, they are patriots,” and, “the programs being used were within the law, within the Constitution.”

Trump supports torture and waterboarding. "When ISIS is doing things that no one has ever heard of, since medieval times, would I feel strongly about waterboarding?" Trump said in an interview with ABC News. "As far as I'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire." He added, "And if they [Pompeo and Mattis] do want to do (torture), I will work toward that end."

But do I feel it works? Absolutely, I feel it works.

Accordingly, Trump has nominated the darling of torture and waterboarding to be his next CIA director, replacing Pompeo. Her name is Gina Haspel.

And he uses tariffs to punish our friends. From my newest thread. "What is Trump attempting to do with his tariffs? It makes no sense. It is almost as if Trump is doing Putin's bidding. Trump is severely damaging our national security by threatening our friends and allies. Ostensibly, he is trying to protect his base. But he is hurting farmers and factory workers with his tariffs, not helping them."

I have given up on his tweets. They are too prolific, too infantile, too vindictive, too paranoid, and too narcissistic. They make me want to puke. Jeez, this guy is our President.

If Putin could place an operative in the Oval Office, that man would create dissention at home and drive away our allies using tariffs. He would try to isolate the U.S. with the mantra of MAGA and nationalism.

Have you noticed? That 35-40% rarely defend Trump from criticism. They can't. Trump is that bad. They avoid the criticism, provide a wisecrack or two, cartoons are popular, and they try to change the subject. They start threads that usually avoid Trump and the issues of most concern to Americans today.

And they can't defend Trump.

 

I noticed you had nothing to say regarding the issues the poster raised. You didn't even try to defend your hero.

 

Just because we (or I) don't make several posts a week defending President Trump doesn't mean he isn't defensible.

the thing is much of the anti Trump stuff you and others post is so way over the top hysterical and ridiculous that replying isn't worth the time.

Have you forgotten people on this board in January 2017 suggesting that Trump was going to be impeached the first month or first week or even the first day in office?

What the hell would you call that?

 

What happened to the stock market today? I watched the Trump Network, er, Fox News as they tried to hide the elephant in the room, two elephants, actually.

Trump's exemption from his 25% tariff on steel and 10% tariff on aluminum afforded to Canada, Mexico, Australia, Argentina, South Korea, Brazil, and the member countries of the EU shall apply only through the close of April 30, 2018.

That is a week from today. Does that have anything to do with still another collapse? Wall Street shuddered when Trump announced the tariffs on March 8, creating the worst March in 17 years and the worst quarter in two years.

That is not all. Trump created still another crisis. This one could be more serious. Trump has threatened to renege on the Iran nuclear deal. That deadline is May 12. That Trump manufactured crisis collides with another manufactured crisis of his making. If Trump reneges on the Iran deal, what possible reason would Kim have to make a deal on his nukes. If Trump trashes the Iran deal, he can't be trusted.

If foreign leaders can't trust the American President, does that have an impact on Wall Street?

What do you think?

 

I said, "That 35-40% rarely defend Trump from criticism." They don't. You don't. You usually make me the issue.

Scan through this thread. Scan through any of my threads critical of Trump. Trump fans rarely defend Trump from criticism. Instead they use ad hominem attacks, change the subject, use cartoons, and make wisecracks.

 

I would argue that attacking you is in fact "defending" President Trump. As the saying goes "the best defense is a good offense".

 

So your reasoning is that "President Trump should keep the U.S. in a bad deal with Iran simply in order to get a deal (of any kind) with the North Koreans"???'

Sounds stupid to me.

Of course then again, any "deal" with the North Koreans that doesn't end with the North Korean regime a steaming pile of ash is not a satisfactory one to me.

 

Oh God it never ends.... the smoking gun is all smoked up.... must be 503 threads about the end of Trump.

 

Is it any wonder that those around Trump have learned to ignore him? He nominates his personal physician, a doctor with no administrative experience, to head the V.A., the second largest agency in the federal government, then tells the guy he need not go through the nomination process. Strange, really strange.

Then there is this.

Trump was asked about his views on Syria. Once again, he failed to commit to any policy. Once again, he attempted to have it both ways. Once again, he made himself look foolish by meandering all around the map. The only goal he seemed to have was to bring our troops home as soon as possible, which is the goal of every President in every war. He tried to sound tough with his phony rhetoric, but all he did was create a lot of head shaking in bewilderment.

Here is what he said. One might call it the Trump Doctrine.

As far as Syria is concerned, I would love to get out. I would love to bring our incredible warriors back home. They’ve done a great job; we’ve essentially just absolutely obliterated ISIS in Iraq, and in Syria. And we’ve done a big favor to neighboring countries, frankly, but we’ve also done a favor for our country.

With that being said, Emmanuel and myself have discussed the fact that we don’t want to give Iran open season to the Mediterranean, especially since we really control it to a large extent. We really have controlled it, and we’ve set control on it.

So we’ll see what happens. But we’re going to be coming home relatively soon. We finished, at least almost, our work with respect to ISIS in Syria, ISIS in Iraq. And we have done a job that nobody has been able to do. With that being said, I do want to come home, but I want to come home also with having accomplished what we have to accomplish.

See what I mean? If you can make sense of it, you are better person than I.

 

Fine Sandy. President Trump is an idiot. And a disgusting, repulsive person.

He is already our president like it or not. I don't but he is still our president and the constant attacks on him even if justified serve little to no purpose aside to being therapeutic for some.

 

You see that is the reason you lose so many debates. You have the wrong strategy.

Attacking the messenger leaves the message intact, and the message is what it is all about. Actually, I love it when my critics attack me rather than my message. It means my message was the correct one.

And my critics know it.

 

Moving the goalposts I see.

 

Sounds stupid to me, too, if that were the only reason. There is a far better one, and it concerns the deal itself.

If Trump pulls the U.S. out of the agreement, there is little doubt that Iran will follow suit and restart its nuclear development program. If she is going to be punished by sanctions for the program, she might as well become active with it.

Iran is in full compliance with the agreement. Not even Trump can say different. He says that because of missile development and terrorism issues, Iran is not compliance with the "spirit of the agreement." The nuclear deal is a nuclear deal, a concept Trump cannot understand. The agreement says nothing about missile development or state sponsored terrorism. The U.S.and the other members of the P5+1 agreed not complicate matters and deal only with Iran's nuclear capability. Muddying the waters with other issues would solve nothing. They were right and the naive and inexperienced Trump is wrong.

In view of the facts -- Iran is in compliance, Iran will restart nuclear program if U.S. pulls out -- Trump is unable to justify pulling out of the agreement. All he can say is, "It's insane, it's ridiculous, it should haven ever been made. But we'll be talking about it. It was a terrible deal." He says that over and over again as if that alone justifies his position. Obviously, it does not in view of reality.

That is another thing Trump has trouble with ... reality.

 

No truer words were ever spoken. You should have stopped right there.

Actually, it is therapeutic for me. It beats being a couch potato and watching television all day. They say brain stimulation is healthy. At 74, I need all the health I can get.

Besides, I am serving a worthwhile purpose. When Trump is removed from office via impeachment or the 25th Amendment, readers will know it was justified because of my work.

 

Be honest. Do you see the remotest sign that Republicans in Congress will ever agree in sufficient number to remove President Trump from office? Or that the Cabinet and Vice President will ever do so via the 25th Amendment?

And I don't mean "they might", "its possible", "they could", "depends on what Mueller reports" or anything like that.

Where is the remotest sign that Republicans in Congress will ever agree in sufficient number to remove President Trump from office? Or that the Cabinet and Vice President will ever do so via the 25th Amendment?

 

There seems to be a pattern here.

On March 8 Trump spontaneously agreed to talk to the North Korean dictator based solely on the statements of a South Korean envoy. He did not consult his state department, National Security Council, or our intelligence services. Since then he has said a great deal about all the progress that has been made even though that progress has been mere rhetoric.

April 18, “If I think that it’s a meeting that is not going to be fruitful, we’re not going to go,” Trump said at a news conference at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, standing alongside Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan. “If the meeting, when I’m there, is not fruitful, I will respectfully leave the meeting.” He has begun laying the groundwork for changing his mind. As everyone else knows, Kim is not giving up a thing. He may give up testing, but that is only because he has the weapons he needs and they have passed the rigorous testing.

March 1, speaking at the White House, Trump said he has decided on tariffs of 25 percent for foreign-made steel and 10 percent for aluminum. “We’ll be imposing tariffs on steel imports and tariffs on aluminum imports,” the President said. “…You will have protection for the first time in a long while, and you’re going to regrow your industries.”

March 8, in his formal announcement of the tariffs, he exempted Canada and Mexico, nos. 1 and 2 steel exporters to the U.S.

The tariffs were to into effect on March 23. On March 22, Trump exempted Australia, Argentina, South Korea, Brazil, and the member countries of the EU. Those exemptions end April 30.

On April 27, CNBC reported, "The May 1 deadline for steel and aluminum tariff exemptions for U.S. allies is likely to be extended, according to sources who have been in discussions with the Trump administration."

January 12, “Today, I am waiving the application of certain nuclear sanctions, but only in order to secure our European allies’ agreement to fix the terrible flaws of the Iran nuclear deal,” Trump said in a statement. “This is a last chance. In the absence of such an agreement,” he went on, “the United States will not again waive sanctions in order to stay in the Iran nuclear deal.” The deadline for the Iran nuclear deal was set for May 12.

April 27, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Trump has not made a decision on whether to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal but was not likely to keep to it without substantial changes. "There's been no decision, so the team is working and I am sure we will have lots of conversations to deliver what the president has made clear," Pompeo told a news conference.

April 29, National security adviser John Bolton said Sunday Trump still hasn't decided whether to leave the Iran nuclear deal ahead of his May 12 deadline.

It is patently obvious both Bolton and Pompeo are simply ignoring what Trump has said.

Conclusion: Trump is big blowhard. His threats mean nothing. His orders mean nothing. There is little doubt that more and more Trump is simply being ignored.

 

There is a snowball's chance in hell of that happening. However, I did mention impeachment. House members are quitting in droves. They can see the handwriting on the wall. It is quite likely that the GOP will lose the House. They may even lose the Senate.

After Mueller releases his findings, impeachment may become possible after Jan. 3rd.

They have already begun to ignore Trump. Bolton, Pompeo, Mattis, they all have ignored Trump when his decisions have disastrous. Please see the above post.

 

I predict, tomorrow Trump will exempt all those nations again.

Otherwise, whatever you do, get your money out of stocks.