The predicted bloodshed is coming

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  1. HumbledPi

    HumbledPi Well-Known Member

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    But it's significantly different than any other common flu and I'll quote what Dr. Fauci has said about why it's different.

    "scientists have studied seasonal flu for decades. So, despite the danger of it, we know a lot about flu viruses and what to expect each season. In contrast, very little is known about the new coronavirus and the disease it causes, dubbed COVID-19, because it's so new. This means COVID-19 is something of a wild card in terms of how far it will spread and how many deaths it will cause.

    Feb.5th: "Despite the morbidity and mortality with influenza, there's a certainty … of seasonal flu,"
    "I can tell you all, guaranteed, that as we get into March and April, the flu cases are going to go down. You could predict pretty accurately what the range of the mortality is and the hospitalizations [will be]," Fauci said. "The issue now with [COVID-19] is that there's a lot of unknowns."
    https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html
    Death rate
    The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times.

    Though the death rate for COVID-19 is unclear, most research suggests it is higher than that of the seasonal flu.

    In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. Another study of about 1,100 hospitalized patients in China, published Feb. 28 in the New England Journal of Medicine, found that the overall death rate was slightly lower, around 1.4%. Older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39.

    'According to the WHO, globally there are more than 500,000 confirmed cases of people with COVID-19 and almost 25,000 people have died from the disease—a death toll that has far surpassed that of the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) epidemic that occurred in 2002 and 2003. The CDC expects most people in the U.S. will be exposed to the virus in the coming months (such widespread transmission could mean large numbers of people needing medical care at the same time—which is why an important strategy is to try to delay the spread).'
    https://www.yalemedicine.org/stories/2019-novel-coronavirus/

    Here's the difference between Covid-19 and the common flu, very little is known about coronavirus. There is also more to learn about how COVID-19 spreads—and how contagious it is. “Data is needed not only to better understand when those who become ill shed the virus, but also which body fluids contain the virus and how those may contaminate surfaces and even the air surrounding them,” says Dr. Martinello. https://www.yalemedicine.org/stories/2019-novel-coronavirus/

    This virus is turning out to be one of the most highly contagious viruses the world has seen since the Spanish flu in 1918.
     
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  2. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds real scary.

    How are things in your country?
     
  3. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I'd stick with the one on the bottom in future . . . the one who understands trigger discipline. The one above has some learning to do if she's going to be carrying.
     
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  4. Rugglestx

    Rugglestx Well-Known Member

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    2nd Amen, Tejas has a cultural obligation to it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gonzales

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    Which is why nobody is easily taking our rifles.
     
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    Cut/paste style argumentation ignored on sight.
     
  6. Rugglestx

    Rugglestx Well-Known Member

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    Nah she is not pointing at the cameraman man, she is pointing downrange. She is good to go with her finger on the trigger at that point.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    People such as yourself are objectively wrong and could get more people killed. Much higher transmission rate, much higher hospitalization rate, much higher fatality rate -- it's way worse than the common flu. Objectively. The conspiracy theorists and the willfully ignorant need to come back to reality on this.
     
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  8. Junkieturtle

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    We must all keep in mind that many places only began more extreme social distancing 1-2 weeks ago. The benefits from that will not be immediately apparent. It is perfectly logical that the bad news would continue to mount for several weeks before a change could be expected.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Well, she's looking at the camera, so either the gun is pointed close enough to the camera for it to be a potential danger or it is at enough of an angle that "downrange" is safe . . . except that would mean she has her finger on the trigger and that she doesn't know what she's pointing at because she isn't even looking that way to begin with. The photographer probably told her to do it that way because he thought it looked cool, but everyone in my family would sure as hell know better.

    Too close for comfort for me, but the fact remains: if the cameraman is close enough to be considered downrange, she shouldn't have her finger on the trigger. If he isn't, then she isn't looking downrange, and she shouldn't have her finger on the trigger.
     
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  10. Rugglestx

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    That is so full of contradictions it's painful to read.
     
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    Battle is not over but the virus currently affects 4600 people. This number is growing by about 15% every day, which is half of yours.

    The whole country's in general quarantine for another two weeks. The border with US is closed, only deliveries of goods are allowed.

    Montreal has just been declared a closed city (no one goes in or out) with 971 cases out of a population of 2 million.

    Our curve is similar to that of South Korea and we expect it to stabilize within 12-15 days.
     
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    Hysterics wont help but following the advice of the experts will.

    And it will save your life and the lives of others . By just being responsible person.

    But if you want to murder some oldster you can be irresponsible and give them this virus and pull off the perfect murder!
     
  13. Rugglestx

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    Nobody teaches that kind of defensive shooting trigger safety. She is in the position ready to fire, she should scan the area where the threat / threats may be, and that is not always in front of the barrel. She should remain ready to fire with finger on the trigger as she does for obvious reasons. I would say she knows what she is pointing at, as she has just looked at it.
     
  14. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    I hope your guns protect you from the virus.
     
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    Rugglestx Well-Known Member

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    Hell I'm more worried about 2 legged predators than the virus myself.

    And he was making fun of your silly predictions incase you missed that :)
     
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    You can't possibly know this, because nobody has a good count on the total # of cases. We have some vague idea that there are a lot of really mild cases out there that never get reported / tested, but nobody knows how many there are, and that unknown figure is what would determine the actual rates you mention above.
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The difference in his predictions involve the lock down and quarantine

    I think that is very relevant. If this virus was treated like the flu his higher prediction may have been accurate .
     
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    Every range I've been too, every instructor I've been with, every responsible gun owner I know has always taught: don't put your finger on the trigger unless it is to fire. If you aren't ready to fire, boogerhooks and bangswitches and all that.
     
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    remember we goto war when there was 3000 ppl dead during 911, remember vietnam war there is only 58,000 US death, and ppl were screaming withdrawn from vietnam. so what happen if its over 1million infected and tens thousands die in a matter of couple month. you think everything just gonna be fine and dandy. so what happen when hospital is overrun, no more ICU bed and med care workers got sick left and right due to cov19 and shortage of med supplies, what happen to ppl who dont have cov19 but need med care, that otherwise would live from gun shot, car accident, heart attack, stroke etc etc when there is no more ICU/ER left.
     
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    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    I didn't miss it.

    I hope you don't get sick. Because if you do, you'll be too weak to shoot anyone.
     
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    Yes, we can and we do know this. We don't know by how much, but listen to what the ENTIRE ****ing HEALTH COMMUNITY is telling you about this. Listen to facts, not wishful feelz. The transmission rate is higher. The hospitalization rate is higher. The death rate is higher.

    I know people are hanging on to hope, but pretending that this is no different from the seasonal flu is a dangerous, dishonest delusion.
     
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    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    Exact.
    And don't forget that hospital staff are also hard hit.

    Within 2 weeks there will be a severe shortage of doctors and nurses because many will be sick.
     
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    My wife is a pretty good shot. Plus I'm in Tejas, the neighbors will shoot whoever I can not. :)
     
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    The same thing applies to the stats involving the flu. My grandkids 4 of them got the flu last November and only one was tested and came back positive. The other 3 had it too but are not in the flu stats.
     
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    What happens if....

    There is the issue with the doom and gloom crowd, Models and predictions based on conjecture and fear.

    Everything is going to be fine, we will make it thru this.

    Go to your safe space and hunker down, the adults will let you know when it's over and you can feel safe coming out.
     

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