The "premise" of BLM

how was it "racist"? and it wasn't an attempt to grift money from others

 

There was a reason I phrased it as one of the points. You highlighted one of his points, but statistics backing up that blacks are mistreated was another point. This point is important because it's NOT about anecdotes or what people feel. The debate ought to be about those statistics, not a war of cherrypicked, unrepresentative anecdotes:

 

Sounds like you will come up with what ever bogus bit of ilogic you need to justify your own opinion.

 

He presented those statistics as proof positive, where both you and I have agreed their is a great deal of nuance there as to whether or not those statistics prove anything.

I am sincerely unsure as to what is your point.

 

You went off on this story about a black person you know misattributing a problem he had to racism. I say the anecdotes are irrelevant. Stick to the statistics.

 

But the statistics are unclear at best, because we don't know why this happens.

 

I say you are just bickering aimlessly.

 

You said the stats were flawed I think. How so? I have seen both bad and good but haven't done an evaluation of his specific links yet. It is definitely hard to control for everything that could be relevant even in a well-designed study, though.

 

I didnt say they were flawed. I said they did not tell the whole story.

If you have a post of mine that you want to respond to, quote it and we can discuss. You going from memory as to what you kind of sort of think that you saw does not cut the mustard.

 

Just trying to prompt you to talk about something relevant to the debate is all, lol. A war of anecdotes is good theater and all but doesn't really get anywhere in finding how society works or how policy should be set, unless it's to counter an assertion that something "never" happens. Anecdotes, at most, tell you what can happen, but not necessarily what usually happens. That's statistics.

 

...and statistics do not tell the whole story, because they do not tell you the why.

Statistics tell us that NBA owners are the most anti-white racists on the planet, but the why tells us they are not.

Zzzz...This is getting redundant. Unless you have something new, please move on.

 

White nationalist and anyone who witnessed 2020 where BLM took the Ferguson riots nation wide.

No one suggested it was.

There is no such pattern other than by the blacks murdering the blacks.

They dont. They shoot more whites than blacks. Blacks are over represented among the dead at the hands of the police because blacks are more involved in violent crime.

 

Racial disparity.

Probably the same reasons the Asians score better than the whites.

 

No one suggested it was. And that prewar German moved to the US and founded the US branch at Columbia, of the same Institute of Social Research founded in Frankfurt.

 

Precisely the opposite. CRT sees racism everywhere.

 

both were illegitimate.

 

Yes - that was pretty significant.

Maybe we should be learning about why that was so important to such a large number of people spread all over the USA!

 

OK, but this direction must be weighed on the basis of what it is today - not what it was in prewar Germany or even when it first came to America.

 

I didn't say the stats were flawed. I said we have no idea what they mean with any real certainty. Or what set of circumstances brought them to be.

the the stats also tell us that half of all violent crimes occur in predominately black neighborhoods and almost all of those victims are black. The stats also tell us that the overwhelming majority of black people want more not less police protection. The stats also tell us that on average about ten unarmed black people, about half of whom by the way aren't actually unarmed, a car, for example, can be about as dangerous as a gun, by the police. It is awful but it isn't exactly an epidemic.

 

And you're the perfect example that this is true. However, in your post you attributed the differences to culture. Which is a social construct that originates and is part of the social system. Obvious to all except the poster who seems to believe it's created by God (I can't help him/her). Which appears to mean that maybe through repetition, understanding is not totally out of reach.

 

You are concentrating on the label and me, but ignoring the damage you are doing with your rhetoric. How many young black deaths were caused or lifes ruined because of your denigration for law enforcement?

 

And what might these "reasons" be?

I can already see you struggling to answer a simple question. I foresee no answer will be provided. Which tells me either you don't know, or you're too ashamed to state it clearly and unequivocally.

 

The "opposite" of what? The social system" IS everywhere. Your response provides nothing useful. If that's the best you can do, I save time by not bothering to open most posts from posters who never contribute to debates. So please demonstrate you are not one of them by actually contributing something.

 

That's easy: genetics.

 

Nope! I'm only concentrating on the "label". You figuring out all on your own that racism is systemic by answering a few "bait" questions, is just evidence that my efforts might not be in vain.