The "premise" of BLM

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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you are not concentrating on me, then why do you say "You figuring out all on your own that racism is systemic by answering a few "bait" questions, is just evidence that my efforts might not be in vain."?
     
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    Yes, that's the belief that they are probably ashamed to express. Most white supremacists are too embarrassed to make public their complete lack of education in genetics.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Read what you just quoted
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did. It does not support your position. It only discusses me.
     
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    You, of, course are an expert
     
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    @Golem it sounds like duxon really understands "crt" !lololololololol

    "real americans" (who have never really accepted the catholic immigrants) are extremely similar genetically to african americans.

    do i really have to explain the southern slaveowners selective breeding experiments? this month we have the belmont stakes and the nba finals, probing that they knew their business.

    African American DNA - BlackDemographics.com

    Genetic study reveals surprising ancestry of many Americans | Science | AAAS

    The average African-American genome, for example, is nearly a quarter European, and almost 4% of European Americans carry African ancestry.
     
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    Interesting. Very revealing
     
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    CRT doesnt dispute the claim of racism. What part dont you understand?
     
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    Asians score better on most all standardized test. Score better on IQ tests. I suspect on average asians have higher intelligence than whites. Difficult to know if it is some inherent, biological difference or purely cultural. I suspect some of both.
     
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    So, as I thought, your answer is that you don't know. But actually, the answer to your question is VERY easy. It's pretty much neither!

    Biological differences were ruled out a long time ago. All the differences are social. Culture is part of the social structure. And this is why "standarized" test don't measure IQ. Because culture is not standard. But, many other factors play a role: socio-economic conditions, availability of education, the parents educational background, ... and others...

    The quest to find a binary answer is always the downfall of the right. Because reality is not binary. It's not X or Y.... 99% of the time the actual answer to ANY question is much more complex than that.
     
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    Cultural differences become biological differences.
     
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    Culture is part of the environment. The environment guides evolution. The highly cultured Chinese society evolved highly intelligent people. The illiterate African societies did not.
     
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    Yup, it's culture.



    Blacks that stayed in Europe after WWII have inteligence quotients most exactly like the average white living in Europe. Meanwhile on this side of the pond the black Americans have worked hard to keep their culture separate and distinct. And American blacks have intelligence quotients below the American white average. Then you got the Asians, who also work to retain the cultural values of their heritage, who often have intelligence quotients above the average white guy. Inteligence, the way we measure it, is not a function of race. It is a function of culture.
     
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    My research says otherwise.
     
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    Some differences manifest only in behavioral differences.
     
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    Actually you thought I wouldnt provide an answer. And I told you the answer einstein. More "intelligence" on average. I just dont know if that intelligence difference is due to biological or cultural differences.

    Baseless claim.
     
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    No, I didn't. The "biological" matter was discarded by science a long time ago. Today it's only the white supremacist movement that promotes that nonsense.

    Based on science. Read my sig! There are plenty of threads (some I opened, some others opened) where this is explained. But not the topic of this one.
     
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    delete
     
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    There are just too many studies, too many experiments that show how differently a black person, and a white person are treated in the exact same location, and scenario, wearing the same clothes exhibiting the same behavior. I believe profiling is a significant problem for minority communities and that those experiences are not based on what they get 'told'. Those experiences from their perspective. Now I am not black, and I just don't get followed around stores to watch where my hands go, or have people calling 911 to report me skulking around, nor do I get stopped by police often to ask what I am doing out passed midnight. It doesn't happen now and it did not happen when I was 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, or 23 years old. But we do have studies that suggest my experience and that of a black person are not exactly the same.
     
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    The way you have worded this with nothing but generalizations, it is impossible to refute because you have not said anything specific and thus there is nothing there to comment upon.

    One thing is for sure, in the situation that I just explained, he CLEARLY interpreted it that way because of what he has been told.
     
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    Maybe someone 'told him' or maybe his own personal experiences with being profiled by people over the years led him to question this.
     
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    Even if we say it was because of his past experience, since he was wrong this time, how could we possibly know whether he mistakenly interpreted his past experience as well?

    Most of us have had a few bad experiences with the police where they hassled us, especially when younger. Because of the narrative that is constantly pushed, it seems that every black person automatically assumes it is because they are black. I am not saying that blacks have never gotten treated poorly, but that set of circumstances has changed drastically in recent decades, and if all we do is pull upon the past, you are never going to acknowledge that the situation has changed. It is a self fulfilling prophecy at that point.

    Get pulled over while black.... be uncooperative as a result of your belief they are just hassling you because of your race....police respond poorly and are decidedly unfriendly and even suspicious of people acting uncooperatively...the black person interprets their unfriendly, suspicious response to their uncooperative attitude as racism...lather, rinse, repeat.

    That is EXACTLY what occurred in the situation I described.
     
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    Or maybe YOUR lack of experience with profiling suspicious agressive cops is what makes it so unbelievable to you that he was mistreated from Moment One, even in this instance - unless of course you were there watching how the interaction went down. Maybe your 'lather, rinse and repeat' experiences is the problem.
     
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