The Progressive Agenda means the Right to Earn a Living Wage for All Americans.

The Third World can say the same thing.

We have a First World economy.

 

Yes, this goes back to my allowance analogy.

Try to understand that the reason this doesn't make any sense to conservatives is because we make more than the minimum wage. There are reasons why we earn more than the minimum wage that have to do with what our labor is worth to our employers. If a car salesman can sell ten cars a day earning the dealership 1k profit on each car sold, that's 10k profit. Naturally that has to be split between everybody else who works there, and then there are business costs such as rent for the car lot, electricity, etc. etc. etc. At the end of the day, we have all worked to produce a profit which is then shared. The guy who keeps the cars washed makes his cut, the girl whose job is to greet customers makes her cut, the owner naturally takes his because he has a lot invested in the business. At the end of the day, maybe we're 1,000 bucks richer.

Through that entire process, nobody is worried about how much I spend, or what my bills are. All we are worried about is how much profit we can generate. Nobody cares how much my necktie costs, or how much I tip the lap dance girls. It's so incredibly irrelevant to the actual money we earn as a team to the point that to even factor that in is.... it doesn't even factor into it at all.

So you talk about needing social services, paying taxes, creating more in demand, but never once did you mention profit. We are, indeed, speaking two completely different languages.

 

Why did it work for ME?

But It WORKED. Damn them! hahaha.
Again, how many people do you PERSONALLY SUPPORT? Don't walk the walk???

 

While this is true, it's not the fact that we (in the First World) started taking care of others that is the problem, it's the others we chose to take care of. IOW, we picked the wrong people to 'help'. Had we been more intelligent (instead of just emotional) about it, we'd have learned from the successes of other cultures.

 

Are you talking to me? You responded to one of my posts .. so a bit confused :/

 

You wanted them, and they didn't.

Our friend cannot grasp that he's trying to impose HIS choices for other people, on other people.

 

Trust me, no genuine Commie thinks there's a free lunch involved. You're talking about Cafe Poseurs, who are 100% dependent upon their Capitalist lifestyle of ease and freedoms.

 

Ditto

 

He doesn't need them to work, silly. They're unfairly unemployed, remember. Even the guy who was fired (for being an ******) after 20 years at $350k per year.

 

agreeing

 

You miss the point. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.

 

i resort to the fewest fallacies. personal choice?

 

Are you seriously this naive?

Those who choose poverty (and it's always a choice, in the First World) do so because they LIKE having no money (if you want the psych on that it's not hard to find. essentially, money = responsibility, and such people don't care for responsibility). If you think handing them a few extra dollars will somehow magically make them Chinese - super industrious, self-sacrificing, clean living, and determined, you really REALLY need to spend a few years studying social anthropology and human behaviour.

 

I guess cafe poseurs is more accurate. They reject the idea of "according to ability" and focus exclusively on "according to need".

 

capitalism Has to work for somebody, not everybody.

just right wing fake news and gossip:
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

you need to have economic arguments, not right wing gossip and fake news.

higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

 

You are insisting that folk who choose poverty, accept your preference for them. That being ... that they magically stop being inclined to poverty.

 

sure; poverty can be solved; being poor is a personal choice.

 

You're not even trying to pretend you're in the conversation, now.

 

I didn't miss that part. You're just complaining about your allowance not meeting the rising price of comic books and soda pop.

Who the hell cares?

 

They're spoiled children, who've been raised in a bubble. They are painfully stupid and naive.

 

you only have fake news, not a real story.

Higher paid labor pays more in taxes while circulating capital and creates more in demand, also while circulating capital.

 

stop whining about taxes for social services, right wingers; who cares.

 

Okay .. now I'm thinking you're a Poe. You can't be genuine in thinking this is actually an effective response to the very solid and clear questions you're being hit with. I'm thinking you're on the Republican payroll .. tasked with making the Left look like imbeciles.

 

anybody can gossip right winger; anybody who knows anything about economics would have already asked questions to clarify my explanation, not whining you don't understand the concepts.

we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and Industrial Automation to help with social costs.