The public sees through Trump’s national emergency lies. A new poll confirms it.

Sure. An overwhelming minority of the public.

 

He knows that. He just repeats the same pathetic talking point everytime he sees a survey.

Hey @guavaball , the 2018 midterms "oversampled" Democrats by 8.7%, lol.

 

Why should I do that?

The President of the United States has within the mandate of his office, the power to declare a National Emergency when the circumstances merit.

I don't care that the open border radical left doesn't want anyone to stop the invasion they are encouraging. I don't care that fact means they must declare no emergency exists. I find it ironic they try this meme when they've been promoting a "crisis on the border" for the last couple of years.

Why don't you elaborate on how this action sets a precedent, and what that precedent means long term.

So far, I've been reading a bunch of uninformed BS from people who don't have a clue. Oh, a President could declare a NE on guns and go and grab them all. That's ridiculous, but I see it all the time.

 

And it's hilarious that they picked San Francisco to file it in.

Do you wonder why that is?

Because they have no case but they know that region's court is sympathetic to liberals, they always rule against Trump and the Supreme Court will laugh it away on appeal.

 

How can he be setting a precedent? He is using the same authority Congress gave Presidents that has been used 58 times before. Hardly a precedent. Also the complaint that the wall is not necessary is weak since Congress just voted for wall funding.

Trump has about $5 billion to spend before he ever gets to the funds available through the National Emergency declaration.

 

They can't do the same thing for single payer.

Declaring a national emergency is very specific in the powers it gives to the president.

Read up on this please and quit embarrassing yourself.

Now if democrats want to build a wall somewhere then sure, they could do what Trump did but they will not be authorized to institute health care under a national emergency, it doesn't grant them that power.

 

Like talking to a wall isn't it?

 

Meh, TDS does not allow rational thought.

 

Always possible, but I predict all D's in both chambers will vote against this NATIONAL EMERGENCY.

This is Manchin when he thought that a NATIONAL EMERGENCY declaration would re-open the goverment.

https://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/...cle_49781982-9f6e-5464-8fdf-43d8fd9826d9.html

But this declaration wasn't made to open the government. I think Manchin will toe the line here.... the divisions will all be on the R side

 

If they do then that's fine, that is their power over the president.

Don't look for the courts to stop Trump however because they rarely interfere when congress has the power themselves.

That's just American history.

 

and we'll point out that thr 'norm' for midterms has been a complete turn around of both the house & senate and that didnt occur in '18

 

I can agree with that.... I think most of the court challenges should be considered plan B, although some will have standing and merit... Congress has the power to nip this in the bud, and quickly...

Bush Junior bailed on his attempt at a bogus National Emergency claim in 2005... We'll see if Trump wants to genuinely put his party at risk with actual votes on this.... I suspect he doesn't give a ****...

SNIP
"It can be revealing when you make people vote on something,"
ENDSNIP

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mp-border-wall-congress-oversight/2784488002/

 

The House could start it but then it depends if it would ever hit the floor of the Senate. If it did, then it would have to be a veto proof super majority.

 

My research says it HAS to hit the floor of the Senate... by law... Not Mitchy the Kids call on that one...

And you keep thinking like McConnell... this isn't like a lawyer only asking questions he knows the answer to.... Sometimes you have to put something to a vote where you simply aren't guaranteed a result.. the votes will speak for themselves... Same with McConnell saying he'll bring the Green New Deal to the floor (still waiting on that one)... He doesn't know what the final vote is going to be on that...

I'm reasonably sure, just based on many R Senate comments, that the Senate would support the Joint Resolution (by simple majority)... That would force a veto... The question then is does either chamber attempt a veto override? Dunno...

 

It may have to hit the floor, I don't know, but then it would still take a veto proof majority and that is far from assured.

 

The legal challenges should be thrown out of court

This is a fight between congress and the executive branch

The unelected liberal judges should not get involved

 

I suspect mcconnell will allow a vote on the resolution

But I disagree that he has to let it come up for a vote

 

Disagree on thrown out summarily... but see my thoughts on the court challenges in post #62

 

If congress does not repeal its law or override trump then the issue is settled and the court should stay out of it

 

This is the actual law and it's hard to read, but I think it's true that if one side passes it, the other side has to have a vote on it within 18 days..

SNIP
Such a joint resolution passed by one House shall be referred to the appropriate committee of the other House and shall be reported out by such committee together with its recommendations within fifteen calendar days after the day on which such resolution is referred to such committee and shall thereupon become the pending business of such House and shall be voted upon within three calendar days after the day on which such resolution is reported, unless such House shall otherwise determine by yeas and nays.
ENDSNIP

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1622

I'm sure McConnell is researching ways to bypass this as we speak.

Put Neidermeyer on it. He's a sneaky little ****, right?

 

I think mcconnell with allow a vote

And if so the question of being forced to is mute

 

Once again, if it's in the law he has to, you cannot claim he will "allow" a vote...

Average try to make McConnell appear human, which we know he's not..

 

A hater and slanderer of Christians, how novel! With 80% of the immigrant women and children being raped during the process of illegally crossing the border, of course evangelical Christians want these illegal rape routes shutdown. Maybe if they were White Women and Girls being raped, the Left would give a damn?

 

The law gives a President very much power and tells Congress that it may meet every six months to determine to terminate it. That has never been done much less meeting every six months and there are now 30 NE in effect.

 

Adalberto Mondesi (SS-KC) is very likely going to hit 20 HRs and steal 50 bases in 2019....