The public sees through Trump’s national emergency lies. A new poll confirms it.

1) you asked for a poll saying 80% want border security and you got it
2) you are wasting time arguing this...the only point I was trying to make is there are many people who think we need a wall even though they might not all consider it a "national emergency"
3) I don't even believe in polls 100% because MOST are not accurate (like the ones that said Trump would NOT be elected for example)

 

Seems strange how democrats loved emergency declarations when obama did it fund illegal wars in tye middle east but hate it when Trump does it to help America.....

 

So pray tell, how does a wall solve the problem of poverty and violence in Nicaragua, or El Salvador?
Right now, many of those people rely on illegals sending money back to their families. If that money stops, how many more refuges will there be heading north. There is no easy solution to this problem and wall certainly doesn't improve it.

 

Find me a single instance during the previous 59 declarations where a President went to congress requesting funds for a specific project, got denied, and then declared a national emergency in order to obtain additional funds that were not previously designated for his project.

That is precisely what is taking place here and it is a new precedent.

As such, the new precedent which would be set - should Trump's declaration survive a Congressional vote of disapproval and the various legal challenges - is that a future President could request funds from Congress for a specific project, get denied, and then declare a national emergency in order to obtain funds for a specific project. That precedent is just vague enough that any future President could find a method and manner, under the multitude of authorizing statutes and funding locations, to do a great deal as it relates to Climate Change, Gun Violence, Access to affordable healthcare, or any other legitimate and real national emergency (as defined solely within the purview of the President).

 

Going to call bull crap on this. Obama's emergency declarations were ALL sanctions on money being used to finance terrorists and one to combat a virus outbreak. At least have some sense of honesty in your posts.

 

Not a matter of whether you disagree. It is a joint resolution. If it is approved by the House, then the Senate must vote on the resoution as well.

 

Seems appropriate that you keep posting this dumb ass lie without ever admitting to such.

 

Weak argument. Congress just passed funding for walls so trying to say they are against walls don't cut it. Congress also passed the laws that Trump is following so where is the new precedent?

 

No, I said that you are spouting bullshit when you said that 80% support the wall. This is what you said.

If you want to now change and say that 80% support border security, you're right. The overwhelming majority of Democrats and Republicans both want border security. So can you now stop with the "open borders" bullshit?

 

Hey, I don't want to get all in your grill here (and I'm MILES off topic), but do you have any evidence that your signature quote can be directly attributed to Winnie Churchill?? I LOVE me some Churchill quotes, being a personal hero (I actually own his 6 volume history of WW2 and have read each several times), but are you sure this is his??

This guy doesn't seem to think so

https://www.quora.com/Winston-Churc...-the-victors-Do-you-agree-with-that-statement

Churchill did say this, which is a way more humorous way to put it - “History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.”

 

I literally just told you the new precedent:

Trump sought funding from Congress for a specific project. Congress rejected the amount that he requested and approved a different amount. He declared a national emergency in response.

That has NEVER taken place.

 

You keep posting this same thing. You have on a cut and paste?

Your argument is invalid. So there is nothing to discuss if your going to stick with this false "name me" thing you're trying. The President has it within his mandate to declare a National Emergency and direct actions to address it. The Congress didn't deny funds for a specific project. They gave him funds. With a National Emergency emerging, additional resources are required.

Again, I'll ask the same question you keep avoiding. Why does the President have the power to declare a National Emergency? What was the purpose of granting the President that power, if Congress is the only body that can direct spending, etc.?

If the President prevails on this matter, what you aren't grasping is that it means the President always had the power. Just because someone does it the first time doesn't mean it's wrong. Did you gasp in horror when Obama created immigration policy on his own via EO?

The claim the President's declaration establishes a precedent that would open the door to who knows what is bogus on it's face. That's just a bit of propaganda to scare people into rejecting what the President has identified as an immediate and necessary step.

 

Quite irrelevant considering the laws the President is using. As it is he has around $5 billion to start with and the NE funds can wait until the last.

 

'Slanderer' applies to spoken comments. Middle school English not your thing?

Fake news.

 

No

I was conceding what useless peice of crap mcconnell is 95% of the time

 

What do you propose we do with the crossers when we catch them?

 

I hope you are correct.
(Notice I didn't say right)?

 

I think we should give them a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.

 

I have tds and am proud of it.

 

Of course - like most Trumpsters - you are not familiar with how to conduct a representative survey of reality.

Because in your world, there are probably as many Republicans as there are Democrats.

I am pleased to inform you that there are fewer Conservatives in the United States than there are Liberals. That is why a professional survey is asking more Liberals.

But I realize this may be a shock to you.

 

You are incorrect. Americans do want the wall, but many feel that declaring a national emergency is an abuse of power. Dems have now taken a sudden interest in limiting government power. This is a step in the right direction.

 

Nope.

In the real world, 58% oppose substantial expansion of the United States–Mexico border wall.

https://psmag.com/news/the-majority-of-americans-oppose-a-border-wall

 

You beat me to it.

Not only do Americans not want the wall but they trust Democrats more than Trump on border security.

Link

Americans aren't stupid. They can see what an idiot Trump is on this wall business.

 

You mean those who have nothing better to do than answer unidentified calls and take phone surveys are the "real world"!!! Funny. Polls are for the gullible. Those who are busy working or spending time with their family are not represented in these numbers.

So how is that big powerful government thing working out for you?

 

So 1004 people who answer unidentified calls and are not busy working or raising a family trust Democrats more than Trump. Does that surprise anyone?