The Push To Discredit HCQ

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  1. Ddyad

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    You know that is not true. Lancet and the NEJM would never publish Fake Science unless the "scientists" involved were all driven by the kind of blind partisan political hate we see here.

    Well, money can also be a driver for "scientists" to fudge their data. Have any of our official medical experts partnered up with Big Pharma? Surely not! Right? ;-)
     
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    There are thousands of journals out there

    and are you really, I mean, really trying to claim that every research laboratory IN THE WORLD is suppressing research that could potentially save lives just because they do not like Trump?
     
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    You stick with the voodoo priestess HydroxychloroQueen, I'll stick with real science.
     
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    You are the one that is playing dumb and your fishing for an answer that you think you know.

    The FDA issued the EUA for treatment of COVID but they have absolutely approved Hydroxychloroquine for clinical trials for potential treatment and or prevention. That is why we have clinical trials across this nation... That's how it works. Ever heard of Phase I trials? Those are first in human trials. Once they pass animal trials, the FDA either approves or forces innovators to refine the protocol before approving first in Human trials. We are in Phase III of many Hydroxychloroquine trials because the FDA already has thousands of data points of knowing the toxicity levels of Hydroxychloroquine.

    FDA Approves Hydroxychloroquine Trial for COVID-19



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    Proof of what?
     
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    July 26, 2020
    Hydroxychloroquine flunks Phase III trial in mild-to-moderate Covid-19
    The study adds to the growing body of evidence that the drug, promoted early in the pandemic by President Trump, is ineffective, despite its getting a briefly renewed lease on life earlier this month thanks to a retrospective analysis.
    https://medcitynews.com/2020/07/hyd...phase-iii-trial-in-mild-to-moderate-covid-19/
     
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    It's ironic that people are urged to wear face muzzles to "save even just one life", but HCQ, which has been shown to have saved hundreds, if not thousands, of lives, is somehow not subject to the same extraordinarily low bar.

    I have tuned out of Trump since he became Mister Mask, but this is so clearly political. These people would rather people die in their thousands than Trump get credit for highlighting a potential therapeutic drug.
     
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    Look at you being a keyboard warrior. Look hard enough and you can prove the earth is flat too...

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    Trump would have done well to lecture people not to take Hydroxychloroquine. Every leftie all over the country and many on continents 7000 miles away would have rushed to corner the market.
     
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    Quote; “We are in Phase III of many Hydroxychloroquine trials.

    Next, the FDA will review/assess all trials, and then, make a decision.

    My question was; Did the FDA approve Hydroxychloroquine as a prevention drug for Covid19?

    Answer; Absolutely not.

    Absolutely not MEANS; Do not inflate people’s head with false hopes, and “Yeah buts”.

    In other words, let’s wait for a regulatory decision.

    Agree or disagree?
     
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    One need not "look hard" to find a Trump supporter that's also a flat earther.
     
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    Yet another evasive reply to issues never raised. Focus. They both go caughtt red handed publishing Fake Science to support the bans on HCQ. There are only 3 things that could make these prestigious journals sacrifice their hard earned credibility:
    1. blind irrational partisan hate for Trump.
    2. money.
    3. a combination of 1 and 2

    "The Lancet study had a dramatic impact on attempts to find out whether the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine, and its older version, chloroquine, could help treat patients with Covid-19. The US president, Donald Trump was among those who backed the drug before any high-quality trial evidence had been published.

    The World Health Organization and several countries suspended randomised controlled trials that were set up to find an answer. Those trials have now been restarted. Many scientists were angry that they had been stopped on the basis of a trial that was observational and not a “gold standard” RCT."
    THE GUARDIAN, Covid-19: Lancet retracts paper that halted hydroxychloroquine trials, By Sarah Boseley Health editor, June 5, 2020.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-paper-that-halted-hydroxychloroquine-trials

    Lancet and the NEJM are among the 4 most influential journals. I assume that you know by now that Fake Science journals are now about as as common as the now common Novel Chinese Corona Viruses.
     
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    The problem here, of course, is that wearing a mask does not cause heart damage and it provides a benefit against the spread of covid-19.
     
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    One need not look far to find a racist Democrat political boss.

    ''I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man.'' Sen. Joe Biden on Barack Obama when he started running for president
     
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    Quote; “but HCQ, which has been shown to have saved hundreds, if not thousands of lives.....”

    However, in the end, what will bring pleasure or displeasure to many people is FDA’s decision.

    Don’t like it, add a yes/no question on the 2020 Presidential ballot.
     
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    I find it hilarious that Trump defenders have yet to find a single criticism of Joe Biden that doesn't bounce back 10x harder on Donald "that American born judge is inherently biased against me because his parents were both in Mexico and I am building a wall" Trump.
     
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    We have already waited while over half a million human beings have died instead of letting physicians decide how to treat their patients.
     
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    Wishful thinking. Trump is clearly not a racist, but by now everyone knows that Biden has always been a racist Democrat.

    "Ironically, George Wallace is an issue in the 2020 election — thanks to presumptive Democratic nominee Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. While Biden has compared the “racist” President Donald Trump to the infamous segregationist, Uncle Joe actually praised Wallace in 1987. But it gets worse. Biden also said his fellow Delawareans were on the South’s side in the Civil War. Yikes."
    ELECTION 2020
    Is This Joe Biden's Blackface Scandal? Strong Echoes of Ralph Northam...
    BY TYLER O'NEIL MAY 21, 2020.
    https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-...e-on-the-souths-side-in-the-civil-war-n416005
     
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    Fake News.
     
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    She is a licensed physician. Are you calling here quack - or not?
     
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    Trump would have done well had he reiterated the following 4 words”

    “According to our experts”......

    .......we will have more cases.

    .......the risk of a pandemic remains low.

    ....,,,etc., etc., etc.

    However, due to his narcissistic personality, Trump is the most unwise President we ever had.
     
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    It is definately an indication of Trump and his minions that they have no problem at all with showing the "quality" of their medic science that this "licensed physician" who claims her "HCQ cure" has cured 100% of her cases, between her battles against "Demon Sperm" and "Alien Babies"!

    Trump's love for his National Enquirer buddy and the regular Alien Babies that his News source now makes sense.
     
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    We’re near 500 deaths per 1M pop.....due to multiple contributing factors.
     
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    You like playing word games as you apparently do not know the process. The drug pembrolizumab (amazing drug) wasn't approved by the FDA for treatment until just June 16th of this year for treatment of TMB-H solid tumors but had been treating cancer patients for the last 5 years through clinical trials and has saved many lives during this process. The FDA won't approve a drug as a prevention until the drug goes through a litany of various clinical trial rendition and protocols.

    And you should get off your high horse and quick giving false hope that a drug that has shown to work in various clinical trial settings and has shown to improve patient mortality but claiming otherwise. You are merely advocating a political position and providing junk science to make orange man bad. You should really stick to your lane, bra!

    And I 100% unequivocally showed that the FDA has approved trials using Hydroxychloroquine for treatment and prevention. As I've stated multiple times, there are 100's of sites doing clinical trials for both treatment and prevention and they all fall under the FDA protocol purview. That's how the system works.
     
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