The real Islam

Evil is a mighty temptress, and a lack of freedom of speech, press, and an establishment of religion goes a long way to maintaining a false prophet’s security.

“All this machine does is swim and eat and make little sharks, and that's all.”

Swim:

"[4.101] And when you journey in the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten the prayer, if you fear that those who disbelieve will cause you distress, surely the unbelievers are your open enemy."

Eat:

“Lands owned by society

This kind of lands is not salable. Even the State has no right to sell them. Lands developed and tilled by human hands and those which come under Muslim control consequent on jihad are considered to be the property of the Muslim society and none can purchase or sell even one metre thereof.“
http://www.al-islam.org/philosophyofislam/17.htm

Make little sharks:

"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

"(3) Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection." (Book #62, Hadith #137)"

It is everything Hitler admired.

 

You can say what you want to say for my belief , but not insult : ))))
If my religion is world's fastest growing religion , if its fastest expanding religion between non-muslims , than you need to re-examine my belief system : ))) not me .

Killing people in the name of God is more innocent than killing people in the name of Money : ))))

 

I am not sure of the exact verses but your knowledge about the particular topic is quite spot on.

MQM is moderate? lmao. Pakistanis certainly don;t think so? But perhaps people like you who support war mongering have a different definition of moderate.

What did I dodge? A already stated the PML is about as moderate as PPP and the reason why PPP lost so many seats.

Actually a lot do.But there's also the fact that every single days the American government is killing innocent Muslims around the world. Of course there will be some retaliation. The US goes to war and kills hundreds of thousands of people and for you that is justified. Those people who have been attacked kill a few thousand Americans at the most and you call it terrorism.

And why is it so many priest have been associated with pedophile activities. Shouldn't they be the models of virtue as well?

Seriously what are you talking about. You hear one or two cases and think everyone is involved. Its like me reading about a murder in US and thinking every American is a murderer.
Besides it was the US who put the Taliban and ultimately in power in Afghanistan in the first place. Just because they claim that their actions are condoned by Islam does not make it so.

There is a war going on there between 2 countries. There is blame to be shared on both sides.

Not really. There is only the case of Aisha and there is dispute over the age she was married. There is a lot of credible evidence that she was 16 or 19 at the time of her marriage.

All the wars fought were defensive wars. Look up the history please.

I am saying you should stop getting your info from Islamophobes but actually look for real facts.

Again, inadequate knowledge on your part. I can post quote after quote from Western scholars vouching for the same as well as comparison of rights given to women by Islam vs other religions.

Encounter what? Retaliation. People defending themselves. So the US is allowed to murder everyone it wants that;s perfectly ok but anyone retaliating is immediately a terrorist. Nice morals you got there.

And they are against the spirit of Islam. Your point?

The abrogation refers to the earlier books revealed including the New and Old testament etc.

You already admitted Quran talks about tolerance. The other is just taken out of context since that refers to a specific treaty only. The fact that you have to quote things out of contect to make your point is evidence of the fact that your arguments don;t hold any ground.

 

1) The fact that a movement is growing quickly does not make it right or just. The history of the world is full of movements that were growing.
2) I do not think killing in the name of either God or Money is just or innocent in any way. This is like comparing Hitler to Stalin and saying one is better than the other because he had a different perspective.

Killing in the name of God is claiming to know what God thinks. Since the killers have no clue what God thinks there are killing on the basis of a lie.

It is interesting that you are trying to justify killing in the name of God. I think this has the makings of a very interesting debate.

 

its not a movement , its a philosophy of life : ))) Despite all this negativity about islam , despite all this wars , despite all this provocations , if its still growing rapidly , this mean there is something in it that's right , something people like : )))

LoL : ))) no I'm not justify to killing people , I'm looking at a store showcase , there are two dresses , I'm saying that Red one is looks nicer than blue one , but actually I dont like the color of these two : ))))

Understand ? : ))))

 

Islam is Christianity a thousand years ago.....crazy idiots that think a cloud dude tells them to hate anyone that does not lick his shoes.

The only reason people don't kill each other for Jesus, is because folks will fight back until they are stopped.....basically Christians simply do not have the Gonads (and stupidity) to get as extreme.

 

People are choices this fake religion over others is because war is all they know. The Middle East has been in war of some sort for 1000s of years. It's all they know. This religion speaks to their hatred and their lust for war and hate.

 

A religion is a movement - a religious movement. The fact that the raging masses become part of a movement does not prove the movement is anything but popular. It is a logical fallacy (appeal to the masses) to suggest that because a movement is growing that that movement is good.

The Catholic Church for over 1000 years was growing. Does this make it good ?

There are reasons why the Catholic Church was growing back then and there are reasons why Islam is growing now. Few of these reasons have anything to do with that religion being good and just.

Actually you did in claiming that killing for God was more innocent than killing for money in response to my comment on killing for God.

If you do not like killing in the name of God then why do you follow Islam ? Do you denounce these Imam's that issue fatwa's ?

I understand when someone is in denial.

 

Yeah, we got that from our quisling Great Leader:

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...07377-case-impeachment-obama-article-one.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...3479-its-actually-closer-us-being-idiots.html

I figure it is consistent with those scary mouths:

"[9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse."

 

The god of Abraham is the pagan moon god.

Remember when moses told the Israelites to stop worshipping the golden calf?

The golden calf is the sun, the child of the the moon god and Saturn.

Mount Sinai is the moon mountain. Sin is the friggin moon god.

I'm sick of teaching you guys about religious history and etymology.

You guys need to know your basics before you come at me with this crap.

 

I won't even look up what age she is, it's enough for me that you cannot say for certain that she wasn't underage, only that there's 'a lot of credible evidence' she wasn't. Anyways, there's other things like slavery and looting and what not to make muhammed disqualify for the best role model ever.

Yeah, he only fought defensive wars which is why he ended up ruling the arabian peninsula. yeah, sure. Battle of badr?

There's more religions than islam and christianity you know. Are you sure the inuits with their shaman religion doesn't have better rights for women? iirc, hunter gatheres tends to be more equal. and what about the sami, eskimo?

Nice of you to ignore my point and attack a strawman. I'm not talking about wheter the US's actions are just or not, I'm saying that there's something special with the islamic world when it comes to terrorism and suicide bombings.

That they're religiously motivated, and that there nothing quite like it anywhere else.

 

Christianity was growing before islam , although its a modified religion by people and if we didnt have islam probably I'd be a christian : )))) But we have islam and its the last religion , we are in the age of science and islam is spreading among the masses .

Yes I said killing for God is more innocent than killing for money . I follow islam because I know the main philosophy of islam . A true muslim dont kill people for no reason but money (patrol,marijuana,moneylending...etc) is enough reason for someones (?) to kill people .

 

Now I know I am confused.

 

You could have chosen none of the above too. Why Islam specifically?

 

Because I have a brain and I have true sources about islam : )))

: )))) he always with me and he proved it many times : ))))

 

Everyone has a brain. No one who uses their brain properly considers Islam to be proven. No source on earth can substantiate the claims of Mohammed or the Quran. I think we are going to need more than a few assertions.

 

So that mean you dont use your brain properly : )))

 

Considering you don't understand the Quran well enough to judge it, this is a silly charge. We can go around and around making claims and counter-claims but in the end you are obligated to prove your case if you want to persuade the skeptics here. Merely saying we don't use our brains isn't going to convince even the most gullible among us.

 

We dont try to convince anyone , we just share our knowledge about islam . You dont need to believe us .
Everthing is clear , Quran is the source of Islam , read Quran , research about islam from unbiased sources . Already you have just 2 type of sources , one of is written by islamic scholars , other one is written by enemies of islam : )))) your brain comes into play here , you have to research from different sources and think on it if you want to learn , not from sided sources : ))) but if you dont want to learn we cant do anything for you , sorry : ))) then good luck to you with your prejudices : )))

 

It seem like you are only sharing the good side. Lets hear the about the evil in your religion.

 

What is evil in my religion ? : )))

 

Yes. I was not present 1400 years ago so can not say anything for certain. All the evidence points to Aisha being 16 or 19 when she married however Islamophobes continue to insist she was underage. The burden of proof is on you not me since you are the one making the accusation.

Yes because from day one the pagans tried to kill Mohammad (pbuh) and his followers which is also why he had to flee from Makkah to Medina. Incidentally, the night he left, a group of them had planned to kill him.
Even before the Battle of Badr, the Makkan Qureish had declared war onthe Muslims in Madina and tried to have Mohammad (pbuh) and given death threats to their followers. Several skirmished also preceded the battle. In the end a war war inevitable.

Did I claim otherwise?

What strawman? If you attack and kill someone they will retaliate? Is that not logical?

No they are motivated by the unjust deaths of their family and friends by Western troops.

 

Islam is such a peaceful religion.

 

Yes its , look at me : ))) did you hear any bad word from me about your belief although everyone insults my belief : ))) isnt it enought ? : ))) religion of peace

 

Sorry I'm atheist. You can talk bad about my god if you wish.
So if you know about a person fixing to bomb children would you say something to the FBI?