The Reason China Will Beat America

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  1. AFM

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    there is one party, however within that party, there are different factions, some are progressive, some conservative, some are business orientated etc etc. each group have their own idea of policies. of course at the top you have XI, which basically consolidated his power since 2012, but he still can be under pressure if things doesn't go right. and Xi has to listen to what these group thinking. what trump did was united these group together due to outside threat. before they were progressive group(more freedom, more integration etc), but now with trump they pretty much switch side to the hardliner.
     
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    Really? These are refugees in the area of Mexico and not in the territory of the USA. So a problem of Mexico!
    Sure ... they want to move on to the US, but border protection towards Mexico is your issue and not Mexico's ... or why is Trump going to build that idiotic wall again?

    But decency and reason to negotiate with another, these are foreign worlds for such a jerk like Trump!

    Apart from that ... it's nice that it was the USA who turned the country Honduras from which most refugeees come into a madhouse with the support of the coup in 2009 against the democratically legitimized government ... that's why people flee from there!
     
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    Forget it ... when you are not even able to read an English source which lists the 8 parties, I can't help you!

    I never told that these 7 other parties have any meaning or power ... because only the communist party has of course ... but by fact there is more as one party in China... even they are pseude parties, they are other parties!
     
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    They were never in favor of democracy not in any way moving in that direction. That myth was used by them to gain access to world markets and as a tool to achieve the global dominance that is their ultimate goal.
     
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    Yes really.
     
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    I have forgotten your post.
     
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    I don't remember the Zulus complaining to much when Botha was President of South Africa.
     
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    I am an admirer of all things Asian, but China is not going to replace America as the world's superpower for the same reason Japan is not... no ability to innovate. China is in essence a follower, a mimicker... it invents nothing, it creates nothing, it starts nothing, it can only copy and steal what we create in the West. It looks at the present and wants to catch up while we look to the future and want to get ahead. China wants to put a man on the moon. We did that 50 years ago. We're already planning on putting a man on Mars. Militarily, not only are we the world's only superpower, we spend what the next 20 countries spend on their militaries combined. Technologically, our military has the world's most advanced machinery, devices, and software. China keeps a shitload of spies in the US because it knows we're way out in front of it. Yes, culturally we're coming apart at the seams, but I see the hysteria on the left as a sign that they are losing and they know it. And as the left becomes more and more hysterical and intolerant (Google fired another engineer for calling them out, YouTube just deplatformed and demonetized a whole bunch more conservative content creators), the great middle of America is going to become more and more horrified by what the left is becoming. (Tim Poole and Shoe0nHead are good examples of this.) Civil war is possible but unlikely, I think, because more and more average people are going to start standing up and saying, "Wait a minute. This isn't right. Just because you don't like someone's opinion doesn't mean you get to silence them."
     
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    I said more freedom NOT democracy, freedom can mean many things such as personal freedom etc. the progressive faction within CCP are compose of PPL who study oversea before,- such as UK/US, and business elite. Their view is a multi-polar integrated world, more open but not necessary democracy. but right now CCP is mostly dominated by hardliner due to current US-CHina issues, the progressive faction don't have choice but to be silent for now. for example yao ming (the ex-NBA player), hes part of CCP, and play a role in sports reform etc. there are many like him who study oversea and went back to china, who prefer different method compare to military/hardline elite. China vice premier graduate from Harvard, and study in US for many years before moving back.
     
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    ppl tend to either overestimate or underestimate china, sound like you are the latter. like japan/SK, china is play tech catch up. Japan didn't surpass US due to its economy/security reliance on US, also it doesn't have market large as China. Whoever have superior tech is base on how they can attract talents and have resource to back it up. Looking at silicon valley, most engineer are composed of Asian, majority are from india or china. there are 400k Chinese student in US, many are in STEM field. 85% go back and contribute to china economy. A lot silicon valley vet, also went to china for startup or better job offer etc, a lot engineer from SK/Japan(think Samsung, sony, Toyota etc) also went to china for startup or more $$. so could China catch to US, yes, could US prevent that by attracting more talent to US, that depend on govt. policies.
    one example in the 90s after soviet collapse, there were over 100k soviet scientist and engineer out of jobs over night. China immediately hire thousands, later over 30-40 thousands soviet scientist/engineer move to china and contribute to china military and other industry sectors. China basically give them free housing and better salaries, and a lot those scientist prefer china over west due to their view on communism.
     
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    There is no way the Chinese are moving toward freedom. They are using technology to further suppress any semblance of individual rights. Their form of governance is not in any way based on recognition of individual freedoms.
     
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    Be careful how you read that. The world economy is slowing down.
     
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    According to the above 700,000,000 live under $2000 per year.
     
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    before XI, their was more freedom(nothing like here in US) but compare to now or in the 80/90s. don't confuse personal freedom as freedom of speech. personal freedom, what bar to go, who to marry, what movie or mall to go, what to wear, what jobs etc etc etc. freedom of speech was tight in 80/90s, but losen up in 2000s, tighten again under Xi. for example ppl criticize government on things like environment, factory, pollution that happen daily. I know for fact there are Chinese criticize CCP in china in private lunch etc. it only become an issue when things get a lot ppl attention and CCP decide its challenge its rule. If you never went to china or don't know ppl from there you don't know. Its not just black and white.
     
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    hence they are a developing country, not a developed one.
     
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    Interesting article.

    Imagine what we could call a pyramid of poverty. In 1978, nine out of 10 people in China’s population of a billion were struggling to survive on an income below the “extreme poverty line”, set by the World Bank at just under $2 a day.

    Today, the pyramid has been flipped on its head. As a result, almost all the more than 1.3 billion individuals who previously would have spent most of their life hungry have doubled their calorie intake. Most of the previous generations’ waking hours were spent attempting to provide enough food for themselves and their children to survive. Today, families can eat together, stay together and play together.

    Since 1978, China has seen four decades of rapid economic growth. According to the “Rule of 72” – divide 72 by the annual growth rate to determine when an economy or investment will double-the Chinese economy has almost doubled every seven years.

    Some Chinese citizens have experienced a 50-fold increase in their standard of living. It could be argued that 40 years of miracle growth have created a greater increase in human well-being for more individuals than occurred in the previous 4,000+ years of China’s history.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/china-watch/society/decreasing-chinas-poverty/
     
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    They are a totalitarian communistic country with a large sub population in abject poverty whose ambition is global domination.
     
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    Come’on man. Wake up. China’s goal is to dominate the US. They will never be our friends and there will never be basic individual freedoms in China.
     
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    Ass backward, it's we who are taking advantage of the Chinese--good quality, cheap prices. I would argue it's the Chinese who have bankrolled our recovery; it's Trump's tariffs that will end it. If anyone has taken a beating on trade with Chinese, it's the Chinese, whose government is using their middle class's sweat and tears to subsidize the cheap goods they sell us. They are infusing our wealth with cheap quality goods. God bless them. You just gotta love them.
     
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    You actually believe that ??? Too funny.
     
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    I wont cry to the foreigners cheering for our failure
     
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    You, like Trump think that for someone to win, someone must lose.
    There are things called win, win.
     
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    Yep, and we have over run their country with American companies. All looking to take advantage of their huge market.
     
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