The Religion of Atheism

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Yes when religions grow into large numbers they get heavily organized and become major, I suppose thats why atheists will conitinue to remain ankle biters.
    Are you really that embarrassed to admit it?
    thats it, transpose the argument and rant that the other guy is dishonest!
    oh thats brilliant!
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but you will gave to explain how that transposes the arguement. Or do you believe it is now my job to prove atheism isn't a religion instead of your having to prove your assertion that it is.

    Or is it just that you don't know the meaning of transpose?
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Your whole set of premises are absurdity.
    neoatheist dont use logic they use delusion as their foundation and falsely label it reason and logic to scam the intellectually compromised.
    You cant accept that their are 1000's of theist religions each with their own bent and twist and at the same time claim atheists have no religion unless all atheists have lock-step-cloned-identical-bent-and-twist. That is delusional dissonance at its finest. If its accepted for theists than it must be accepted for atheists or the atheist logic is over the top wackadoodle.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay....here s the jist. Everyone everywhere has a different belief system than everyone every where else....we are all individuals. The only real difference here is when people take the label of a Religion and when they do not...Atheists do not and actually do the opposite. What you are doing is placing a label on them, for them and we do not accept it.
    You are clearly not Atheist and thus cannot speak for or claim to know them better than they do as that is disingenuous, dishonest and rather insulting. Go ahead and think whatever you want but, do not claim it to be fact when it clearly is not.
     
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    You are babbling. Going from transposition to delusional dissonance seems to be a bit of irrational desperation indicative of your inability to form a rational logically justifiable. So sad.
     
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    "You cant accept that their are 1000's of theist religions each with their own bent and twist and at the same time claim atheists have no religion unless all atheists have lock-step-cloned-identical-bent-and-twist. That is delusional dissonance at its finest. If its accepted for theists than it must be accepted for atheists or the atheist logic is over the top wackadoodle"

    Speaking of wackadoodle, that makes no sense whatsoever. How about you actually try to find one criteria for religion that is commonly found in atheism. You can even use the definitions of athiesm you posted just to give you a fair chance. Want to try?
     
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    stop projecting please.
    ah, coudlnt make it past a lil ole typo? Here I thought you knew your position better than that. I'll fix it for you;

    "You can accept that their are 1000's of theist religions each with their own bent and twist and at the same time claim atheists have no religion unless all atheists have lock-step-cloned-identical-bent-and-twist. That is delusional dissonance at its finest. If its accepted for theists than it must be accepted for atheists or the atheist logic is over the top wackadoodle"

    So why dont you go where no neoatheist has gone before and support the claim that atheism by definition is not a religion.

    we have all looked at the definition that rahl and rai reab posts and no one has been able to find anything what so ever that atheism is not a religion, I'm sure youd make the Guinness book of world records.
     
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    Sorry my foolish friend but it isn't our responsibility to prove that athiesm isn't a religion. You make the claim you prove it which obviously you cannot do. I will even be so gracious as to accept your definition of religion. Now all you have to do is demonstrate that athiesm meets any one if the criteria in your definition.
     
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    We should all just go ahead and agree with little Coco just get it to ****, it's not as if it really matters what an internet troll wants to call us anyway.
     
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    Shame shame
    Atheists incensed after IRS grants them tax exemption as religious group

    By Cheryl K. Chumley - The Washington Times - Wednesday, August 21, 2013

    The leader of an atheist group reportedly is incensed that the U.S. government has granted it a tax exemption, citing allowances for religious organizations — and she’s even angrier at learning that she’s considered a minister under the Internal Revenue Service code.
    “We are not ministers,” said Annie Laurie Gaylor, who heads the Freedom from Religion Foundation in The Blaze. She added: The organization doesn’t want the tax exemption if it’s based on codes granting allowances to religious groups.

    “We are having to tell the government the obvious – we are not a church,” she said.

    Most people might welcome the chance to bypass paying taxes to the IRS. The Justice Department even filed a brief in court arguing that Ms. Gaylor is eligible for the exemption, which gives her tax-free housing, because she heads the group and atheist organizations are eligible for some of the same benefits granted churches.

    But Ms. Gaylor’s group is suing, saying the federal government’s tax exemptions for religious groups does not apply to the atheists — and that the federal government’s insistence on giving the benefit is actually tantamount to a tax-free housing award, The Tennessean reported. Ms. Gaylor and her husband, Dan Barker, initially were awarded a government housing allowance of $15,000 per year in 2009. They’ve been arguing they don’t deserve the benefit — because they’re atheists and proud to claim no religious affiliation — ever since.

    Atheism a religion of d'nile.

    Even the IRS says you are a religion and they arent in the habit of giving away money.

    Here is a little something that neoatheists 'like'
     
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    Nice try but your challenge was to prove that given the definitions of religion that you have already provided that athiests in general meet any criteria contained in your definition. So far you are failing.
     
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    See, you can't do it. And I bet you can't even find the actual IRS decision because it doesn't actually say that athiesm is a religion. But nice try.

    You probably aren't even bright enough to understand thst the actual decision only says that athiests organizations are eligable for the same benefits as religious organizations.

    You just kerp losing but then nobody above the intellect of a cabbage is surprised.
     
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  13. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    cant do what?

    ffrrp are a bunch of dumbasses supported by dumbasses LOL

    I read a few of their escapades and the courts are handing them their asses.

    Im blinded by brilliance in this thread too, everyone sues the irs for decisions they didnt make! Totally brilliant! :rolleyes:

    Please at least try to comprehend what what is written,
     
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  15. Kokomojojo

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    yep, thats about all you can say to check and mate! Well jester always calls dishonesty and demands proof for whatever was proven in the previous post! :deadhorse:
     
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    Have you proven that the IRS called atheism a religion? Jester seems to think not. Choosing to treat atheists legally like a religious group for tax purposes does not make atheists religious. It's a legal technicality based on the opinion of someone at the IRS, not a sound basis for defining atheism as a religion. There is, in fact, nothing about atheism that fits any accepted definition for religion.
     
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    I hate to break it to you but anything that can form a culture is a religion. I havent taken the neoatheists seriously in a long time since there is a difference between spin-d'nile and debate.

    neoatheists on this board and others put all their congered up imagined arbituary meaningless spin that is so convoluted that when their rules are applied to christianity its not a religion either.

    Everyone (who counts) agrees and have concluded that atheism is a religion, all but the malcontent d'nilists.


    An Introduction to the World's Least Understood Faith

    The rise of confrontational atheism has led many non-believers to assert that religion should ‘disappear’ or be ‘extinguished.’ Little are atheists aware that in the process of embracing and expressing their atheism, rather than ‘extinguish’ religion, they have created their own. Many atheists have moved beyond the dictionary definition and are naturally and predictably attempting to fill the religious void left from abandoning their theistic tradition by replacing it with an atheist alternative. With the passion of devoted religious adherents, the atheist faithful celebrate and defend atheist creeds, mythology, and superstitions. Employing the discipline of Anthropology, new atheist critic Mike Dobbins demonstrates how modern atheism has all the characteristics that compose a religion: emotional, social, material, ethical, ritual, doctrinal, and narrative. Like the religions of other cultures, atheism has a cherished worldview, a creation myth, prophecies and revelations, magical thinking, revered leaders, sacred doctrines, esteemed ethics, induces specific emotions, and most recently, formed its own international atheist church, The Sunday Assembly. Moreover, The United States Supreme Court has ruled atheism is a religion and atheist organizations are quick to agree when it is to their advantage. Atheism As A Religion provides a long overdue introduction to the faith of the Godless. The religion of atheism requires thoughtful and deliberate consideration by all people, believer and unbeliever alike. While not all atheists are religious, religious atheism is gaining in popularity and having a greater influence in politics, the media, and Western civilization. As ever more atheists begin to take their religion seriously, it’s time everyone else did too." https://www.amazon.com/Atheism-Religion-Introduction-Worlds-Understood/dp/1494812444

    I am an agnostic, and I have no qualms about admitting that my agnostism is ultimately in the final analysis a religion most likely because I dont have a big ole axe to grind like most d'nilists.
     
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    Another useless debate on terms & definitions. I watch a lot of debates, and participate in quite a few online debates. The most annoying thing is when debates (both formal and informal) get dragged into the pointless debate on definitions:

    "Atheists have faith, too."
    "Atheism is a religion."
    "You aren't an atheist, because atheists say there is no god. You're just an agnostic."

    That part of the debate is okay to have to a point. But it doesn't deal with the substance of the debate: EVIDENCE!! What is your evidence for God? I am the lost one.

    "Atheists have faith, too."

    Okay, what's your definition of faith? Better yet, how does your definition of faith differ from the word confidence? If their the same, okay. If faith is still a system of belief that is based on evidence, great. Then I have faith. WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE FOR GOD?

    "Atheism is a religion."

    Okay, what's your definition of religion? If atheism is a religion because it's a group of people who only share one thing in common - a non-belief in a deity - fine, atheism is a religion. WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE FOR GOD?

    "You aren't an atheist, because atheists say there is no god. You're just an agnostic."

    You don't want to call me an atheist? Don't call me an atheist. WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE FOR GOD?

    We can discuss terms and definitions all day. It does absolutely nothing to deal with the lack of evidence for God. It does nothing to show whether God is there or not.
     
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    183 pages now, and atheism remains, by definition, not a religion
     
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    Looks more like a massive clusterfuck of confusion to me
     
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    obviously
     
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    Well if you understand debate how about posting one single criteria for a religion from your definition of religion that is common to all athiests. Should be so simple if indeed athiesm is a religion.

    Anyone can cut and paste as you have so sucessfully demonstrated.

    And just for yucks what are Mike Dobbins intellectual qualifications as an expert on athiesm.
     
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    unfortunate case of suffering from exponentially increasing loss of memory, I suggest you simply re-read whats been posted countless times for comprehension.
     

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