The Religion Of Evolution And Infinite Typing Monkeys , , ,

The theory of evolution isn't random like monkeys typing on a keyboard. It works through natural selection which is very non-random.

 

Thanks for your comment.
I understand what you're saying. about the
"monkey's & typewriters" thingy. And I understand
what you are claiming to be true about "natural selection."

I also understand that on your lights there is nothing but
unthinking non-intelligence determining so-called
"natural selection" and in my world, maybe not in your
world, but in my world, that reduces to CHANCE and
CHANCE is RANDOM. I get into some of that in this
piece I wrote below.

If you have a minute or two, please read this below
and give me your thoughts on it. I would appreciate
your thoughts and views on what I wrote down there.

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JAG Writes:
Some Thoughts On The Religion Of Evolution , , ,

Abiogenesis , , ,
Most Evolutionists today do not make a case
for Abiogenesis, but some Thread-Evolutionists
have argued for the possibility. To me its an
absurd notion. Life cannot come from non-life.

Most Evolutionists these days go with the word
Evolution and hawk "Natural Selection"
and "Random mutation" , , ,

{You can call it "non-random" if you want to,
you can also call a rose an automobile if you
want to. Unthinking non-intelligence produces
only Chance and Chance produces only
randomness. A rose by another name is still
a rose.
Unthinking non-intelligence = Chance = Randomness }

My view is that it does not matter what you
call it -- the fact remains that , ,

Evolutionists claim that , , ,

~ natural selection
and
~ :random mutation , , , , , , {see my note above on Unthinking non-intelligence = Chance = Randomness}
and
~ atoms and molecules
and
~ chemical reactions
and
~ etc etc etc

plus
unthinking non-intelligent Time
plus
unthinking non-intelligent Chance
plus
unthinking non-intelligent Matter , , ,

, , eventually produced a situation where our ancestors crawled
up out of the Primordial Slime or Primordial Soup, at first just a
tiny speck, later to become the size of a dime, later to become the
size of a golf ball, later to become a Bullfrog or Whatever They Say It Was
later to become a Monkey or a Chimp, later to become a "George W. Bush."

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Moreover, , , Evolutionists believe that , , ,


~ unthinking non-intelligent Time
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Chance
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Matter , , ,

. . . produced a , , ,

■ highly complex Human Brain
and
■ a highly complex Human Eye
and
■ a highly complex Fully Functioning Human Body
and
■ a highly complex Earth
and
■ a highly complex Universe.
and eventually produced a , , ,
■ highly complex "George W. Bush"

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It takes a lot of Faith to believe all that up there.
And my view is that anybody who believes all that
up there is a Great Man Of Faith -- this is why I
speak about the Religion Of Evolution.

Speaking about Faith , ,

I do NOT say that Evolution is not true.

Theistic Evolution may be the way it happened.
My view is that it has NOT been scientifically proved
that the one-celled speck in the Primordial Slime eventually
became "Oprah Winfrey" and "Joe Biden" , ,

, , but, , ,

, , Evolution is not a crucial issue for the Christian anyway.

Millions of us say Evolutionists have NOT scientifically proved
that "George W. Bush" started off as a single-celled speck that
"came up out of the Slime" -- but even if they do, one day, prove
that it happened that way, So what? Who cares?

We Christians will forever believe in the God that created the highly
complex Human Person, the highly complex Human Brain, the highly
complex Human Eye, the highly complex Earth, the highly complex
Universe, and all that exists --- how He did it, is interesting but it has
zero to do with our Faith in God , ,,

, , , repeat , , ,

how He did it, is interesting but it has zero to do with
our Faith in God , ,,

"Have Faith in God."___The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}


Best

JAG

________________

Quote For Today

“PIPPIN: I didn't think it would end this way.

GANDALF: End? No, the journey doesn't end here.
Death is just another path, one that we all must take.
The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all
turns to silver glass, and then you see it.

PIPPIN: What? Gandalf? See what?

GANDALF: White shores, and beyond, a far green
country under a swift sunrise.

PIPPIN: Well, that isn't so bad.

GANDALF: No. No, it isn't.”
___J.R.R. Tolkien


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No, you believe life came from non life, you just believe was brought from non life by a magic spell!

 

You are confusing non-thinking with chance and randomness. Chance and randomness when the odds of different things happening are the same. But forces in nature don't operate like this and act deterministically. For example, gravity will always pull things down to the ground. Chance doesn't dictate where things go, the forces of nature do. Natural selection will select creatures that have better structures and this is completely non-random and directional. But it isn't intelligent.

 

In my world, all that is pure "word magic."

Pure "word magic."

In my world this will always be true >> Natural selection = Unthinking non-intelligence = Chance = Randomness

Natural selection = Unthinking non-intelligence = Chance = Randomness

By the way, I wrote the following under the inspiration of reading one of your
posts awhile back. I am not going to quote you because I forgot where your
post is located. Instead I will only say that you "inspired me" to write the following.

And I will let my fictional character of Ann Evolutionist do the talking.

"If it is possible, given enough tries, it is inevitable."___Ann Evolutionist

My response:

JAG Writes:
I interpret it as the old "throw the dice thingy", that in effect says the same thing, that , , ,
"If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable."

That means if you throw say 500 trillion dice on the ground "enough times" then at
some future point all 500 trillion dice will all come up 6's , , , ,

, , , and THAT , , , is a Faith Belief , , , , {John 3:16 is also a Faith belief }

999 Trillion , , ,
For all we know we would need 999 trillion dice , , ,
to equal the complexity of the Human Person, the Human Brain,
the Human Eye, the Earth, and all the laws and all the intricate
complexity of everything that exists here on this Earth , , ,

Lets go with 999 trillion dice., , ,

, , while keeping in mind that we might actually need , , ,

, , , 1800 trillion dice , , ,

, , ,or , ,

, , for all you actually know , , ,

, , we might need 2500 trillion dice to equal the intricate complexity of
the Human Person, the Human Eye, the Human Brain, the Earth,
and all that is within all of that.

Repeat , , ,

"to equal the intricate complexity" of ALL that exists on this
Earth.

You can NOT prove with Empiricism that if you tossed 2500 trillion dice
in the air enough times for all Eternity --- that all 2500 trillion dice would
come up 6's , , ,

Neither can you prove with Empiricism the Faith Based claim
that says , ,

"If it is possible, given enough tries, it is inevitable."

You could not prove that with Empiricism if your life depended on
you so doing , , ,

Or if you were offered $100,000,000 to prove it.

Anybody who believes this , , ,

"If it is possible, given enough tries, it is inevitable."

, ,is a Man Of Great Faith. And this is one reason why I speak about
the Religion Of Evolution. If you believe that "If it is possible, then
given enough tries, it is inevitable" then you believe that by Faith.

999 Trillion To The Power Of 999 trillion , , ,
For all you know for a fact, it might take 999 trillion to the power
of 999 trillion dice to equal the complexity of the total Earth and every
single thing on the Earth. You simply can NOT , , KNOW , , what
the actual level of complexity is. And if you say you DO know, then
you are speaking as a Man Of Faith. and you might have to believe
that if you throw 999 trillion to the power of 999 trillion dice on the
ground enough times that at some point they would all come up 6's

So?

So I want to talk to you about John 3:16 because we're back to Faith again.
{and Faith is Faith}


Best.


JAG


PS

You're not going to just ignore this are you?

For all you know for a fact, it might take 999 trillion to the power
of 999 trillion dice to equal the complexity of the total Earth and every
single thing on the Earth. You simply can NOT , , KNOW , , what
the actual level of complexity is. And if you say you DO know, then
you are speaking as a Man Of Faith. and you might have to believe
that if you throw 999 trillion to the power of 999 trillion dice on the
ground enough times that at some point they would all come up 6's



"Have Faith in God."__The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}


____________

Thanks for your comments and thanks for inspiring me to write that
post up there. You write interesting posts. They are always thought
provoking.

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Randomness is 1/6 probability to roll a 6. Natural selection is if only 6 rolls were selected because they outnumbered the others and survived. Randomness has no direction. Natural selection has a direction toward survival. They aren't the same thing.

 

It is easy to dismiss something when you don’t have any understanding of it. Evolutionary theory is one of the most successful theories of all science and has been shown to be highly corroborated with a huge amount of evidence from work across virtually every scientific discipline, geology, paleontology, biology, medicine, anatomy, anthropology, physics, botany, genetics, along with observation and even direct experimentation. To dismiss evolution and the role of natural selection in explaining the diversity of life on this planet is asking to dismissing the value of the scientific method and virtually all the scientific disciplines as vehicles for their contributions to understanding nature.
Aside from a lack of knowledge, the rejection of Evolution is based on a handful of arguments. First, is a rejection based on accepting religious doctrine explaining life largely composed nearly two thousand years before humans began to employ the scientific method as a means accumulating and testing knowledge and understanding of nature, the second is dismissing it based on the Theory not explaining how everything came to be where religious scripture, of virtually all religions, provides an explanation by invoking an intelligent supernatural agent (often referred to as the God of Gap explanation... meaning what can’t be explained is attributed to a supernatural causal agent), Evolution is often dismissed by invoking certain seemingly highly complex phenomena that some believe can only be explained by divine design like the human eye, and it is often dismissed because science has yet to explain/replicate abiogenesis.
To dismiss virtually all science because, science has yet developed a complete explanation of everything while accepting religious scripture because it invokes mysterious supernatural forces is an irrational argument.
To suggest evolutionary theory rests on a foundation of chance is a product of misunderstanding of the theory and, further, I would submit is not understanding of the science that has emerged since Darwin’s time, scientific findings that are consistent with the implications of his work... a continued confirmation of the theory as it evolved from Darwin’s decent with modification explanation. Again, further, I would submit, that genetic variation among a population occurs that shapes species diversity in subsequent generations through the process of natural selection is an inherent and inevitable feature of the DNA structure inherited by all life forms as we know it from the earliest successfully replicating forms we categorize as being life.
To dismiss evolutionary theory because supposedly there isn’t evidence of intermediate life forms is an aspect of three things, the first, not knowing the fossil evidence or even evidence that has been observed of speciation happening in nature, and third, evidence seen in the laboratory.
Just as is being done in other areas of science, our knowledge is being continually expanded in areas such as genetics, cosmology, quantum theory, etc. That we might not know certain answers today is opportunity to explore and push the edges of our knowledge using the scientific method; in regard to evolution, we are still asking question and filling in the gaps. Not having an explanation for life’s beginning does not logically lead to the conclusion that religion is the answer.
Just as an aside, there is nothing in evolutionary there that lends to the theory that given enough time and chance that life will eventually result in intelligence or complex technological civilization; that notion is a Victorian era line of thinking, one emanating from Britain used to justify the thinking the the Brits were at the pinnacle of of evolution and therefore justified to dominate and exploit the ‘lower levels of life’, the primitives, of the colonies they established in their imperialistic expansion; it was their duty to spread civilization to the lessor of the species. Evolutionary theory does not preordained life proceeding from simple to complex forms, or a progressing toward anything... those that suggest that, or use time, plus evolution as variables in application with something like the Drake equation do so out of a misunderstanding of the Theory... they are as ill informed as those embracing Religious doctrine trying to find the means for dismissing the Theory of Evolution.
Is it possible an intelligent supernatural all powerful creator designed and created the world 6,000 years ago? Well, if one did, then it/he/she did an amazing job of building in all of the fake evidence to deceive humans of their origins. I find that notion about as likely as me being God and deciding to live among my creations as an anonymous human to experience my creation.

 

You telling me that is like me telling you "For God so loved the world
that He gave His one and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall
not perish but have Eternal Life."__The Lord Jesus {John 3:16}


"Natural selection = Unthinking non-intelligence = Chance = Randomness"___JAG

"Natural selection has a direction toward survival"___Distraff
I do not say that is true, but I do say , , ,

If that is true, then my locked-down view is that it was put there by God
and Theistic Evolution is how it happened.

Best.

JAG

"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and
believes him who sent me has eternal life and will
not be judged but has crossed over from death to
life."___The Lord Jesus John 5:24


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Like you just dismissed my entire lengthy post that you quoted
and ignored and proceeded to state your Faith Based Beliefs
regarding the Religion Of Evolution.

But this is okay because we are in the Religion Department.

Speaking of Religion , , ,

I typed this into the posting block for you.

May the Lord Bless you always.
May the Lord always Keep you safe.
May the Lord make His Face to shine upon you.
May the Lord be Gracious unto you.
May the Lord always turn His Face towards you.

May the Lord always give you His Peace.
May the Lord always Protect you.
May the Lord always Protect all those you love.
{Based on Numbers 6: 24-27}

Best.

JAG


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https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Evolution/dp/0028642260

 

, , ,LOL , , ,

This below was in the very post that you quoted , , ,

JAG Wrote:
Speaking about Faith , ,

I do NOT say that Evolution is not true.

Theistic Evolution may be the way it happened.
My view is that it has NOT been scientifically proved
that the one-celled speck in the Primordial Slime eventually
became "Oprah Winfrey" and "Joe Biden" , ,

, , but, , ,

, , Evolution is not a crucial issue for the Christian anyway.

Millions of us say Evolutionists have NOT scientifically proved
that "George W. Bush" started off as a single-celled speck that
"came up out of the Slime" -- but even if they do, one day, prove
that it happened that way, So what? Who cares?

We Christians will forever believe in the God that created the highly
complex Human Person, the highly complex Human Brain, the highly
complex Human Eye, the highly complex Earth, the highly complex
Universe, and all that exists --- how He did it, is interesting but it has
zero to do with our Faith in God , ,,

, , , repeat , , ,

how He did it, is interesting but it has zero to do with
our Faith in God , ,,

"Have Faith in God."___The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}


Best

JAG

 

Diablo,
From one of the reviews of your implied recommended book The Complete Idiots Guide To Evolution.
Start quote.
"In a quick scan of this book, it seems Mr. Horvitz has done a somewhat reasonable job of explaining the history of evolutionary theory, and the basic concepts of evolution, however, the two chapters on human evolution (19 & 20)leave much to be desired. There are discrepencies and incorrect data throughout both chapters, some of which should have been quickly caught by an editor, while others appear to be from bad data sources. For example, on page 212 the author mentions the author of the book "Lucy" as Donald Johanson, yet 2 pages later he mistakingly calls the man who discovered Lucy "David Johanson".

Other basic errors include defining an ape as "simply a monkey without a tail", and calling the Bonobo, which is a species of chimpanzee (and therefore an ape), a monkey. These are basic pieces of data which would have been caught had any biological anthropologist read the chapter before it was published.

The discussion of the fossil evidence for human evolution is stunted and inaccurate.

Each section of the chapters seems to give different dates for the same events and species, and some species are skipped over, while others are mislabeled (Ardipithicus ramidus is listed as an Australopithicine on the summary of hominid species/timeline, and A. anamensis isn't even listed).

It seems like each topic of human evolution discussed in the book was researched independantly, and so each section appears disjointed from the rest.

There are numerous other problems with the data, yet there are no references to other books or articles where the information came from, so I can not say if these are problems with bad data sources, or how they occured.

If you are interested in understanding human evolution, this is absolutely not the book you should look at. It states certain ideas as absolute, when they are minority opinions, and states other ideas as suspicious, when they are in fact commonly accepted.

Rather, I would suggest something like Roger Lewin's book "The origin of modern humans". For a basic introduction to evolutionary theory, this is alright, but that's about all"
End quote
Source:
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Evolution/dp/0028642260

 

Thanks for the blessings, not that I believe in the Lord, but I accept the sentiment from you.
The last post I was going to comment on of yours, I composed a post addressing every item, but haven’t posted it because it live because it would have run ro several parts and I had declared I wouldn’t burden the forum again with such a long post.
As for this post, I wasn’t posting to address the entirety of what you had to say, but was reacting the erroneous take of criticism of the theory of Evolution you shared, some of which is common among not only other ‘believers’ that reject the Theory, but even among some that accept the Theory without really having a firm grasp of the theory.; there are a lot of misconceptions of it.
As for it being a religion for me, if understanding the evidence it’s product of the scientific method is a religion, then in spurious nature, you could call any belief, regardless of the method it is based on a religion... a notion I reject. As an anthropologist/archaeologist that not only has been involved with understanding of how natural selection has worked in regard to variations in human culture but also taught Graduate level classes in Evolutionary theory, as a result of over 40 years of close study across several disciplines, and have also continued to study the implications of current genetic research and the development CRISPR research out of MIT and Berkeley, I have an understanding of the supporting evidence that is beyond many not many have had the opportunity or interest to pursue. Evolutionary Theory as applied to understanding human diversity is still germaine to my field of study now. So forgive me if I took the opportunity your post provided to briefly discuss some of the misconceptions.
If someone wanted to debate Evolution on it’s own merit, I be happy to engage in a thread specific to that purpose.
Just as an aside, you, and others like to use the analogy of the watchmaker to refute evolution by stating a something as complex as a Rolex watch could not by chance alone have happened out of nothingness and nor could life. However, the part of that analogy that is weak is, Rolex Watches exist. So does life. The history of the the development of the Rolex watch is well know, and aside from arguing it was the product of human evolution which I can demonstrate is a logical argument, in terms of the evolution of the technology of time pieces, as an analog of evolution, the Rolex has antecedents of design, a progression of designs, that underwent human selection where each generation was considered an improvement in function and form over previous generations of design, and where many the antecedent designs are no longer made; they were not competitive in the market. The concept of natural selection isn’t limited to biology, but seen in the evolution of ideas, technology, culture, and even religious belief.

 

It seems to me natural selection is very easy to understand with only mundane logic. The fact that only genes that are able to survive and procreate will be present in the future gene pool follows from fairly basic logic.

 

Random means that it will do a bunch of different things with similar probability like a dice roll or coin toss. In fact if we completely understood the natural forces, then we should predict every coin toss and dice roll. These events are so unpredictable because even small changes in the situation, like the position of the hand, results in completely different outcomes. Randomness is just the result of our lack of knowledge and nature is actually deterministic.

But natural forces are deterministic and many are very easily predictable and work only one way. For example, if i drop a rock, it falls. It doesn't move in random directions. It predictably moves down 100% of the time. Again, natural selection isn't random. No natural force is truly random.

 

Your "Natural Selection" becomes de facto, an Intelligent God because
your "Natural Selection" performs feats that only an Intelligent God could
perform. More on that down-post.

Plus there is a lot of Faith in your post up there.

Plus there are bald faith-based assertions in your post up there.
{But I don't blame you, your Religion Of Evolution demands Faith.}

Plus nothing in your post up there refutes this , , ,

"Natural selection = Unthinking non-intelligence = Chance = Randomness"___JAG

"Natural selection has a direction toward survival"___Distraff {from a previous post}
"Again, natural selection isn't random."__Distraff
I do not say that is true, but I do say , , ,

If that is true, then my locked-down view is that it was put there by God
and Theistic Evolution is how it happened.

The whole world all around you demands an Intelligent Designer and you
know that is true -- so you "invent" an Intelligent Designer and re-name
him "Natural Selection" , , and he goes by another name too -- "Nature."

The False-god Named "Natural Selection" , , , ,
You desperately need an Intelligent God to explain the highly complex
world -- so the High Priests of the Religion Of Evolution came up with
the False-god named "Natural Selection" to explain the highly complex
world all around them. And you "bought it." But there is a way out for
you. You do not have to "stay where you are" -- you can turn towards
Faith in the true God who wrote the words of John 3:16 to you {and
me and everybody else -- "for God so loved the world that He gave
His one and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish
but have Eternal Life."}

An Invitation Sent To You , , , ,
Faith is Faith and you already have a great and active Faith in the
Religions Of False-god-Science and in the Religion Of Evolution -- and
here be Faith --- "Behold I stand at the door and knock" said the Lord
Jesus in Revelation 3:20, and He invited you to open the door to faith
in Him. You already know how to exercise Faith -- and you do exercise
Faith all the time -- its just that what you put your faith in, does not do
anything for you long term, and it does absolutely nothing for your
eternal soul. When you die, your Religion Of Evolution will not even
know you died , , , ,

Can You Name Just One ? , , ,
, , , By the way, you are a valuable person with a very good mind.
Is it true that on your Secular Religion you will have the same
identical destiny-End as does a House Plant and an Ant, which
is ceasing to exist as in Oblivion where you become this 000000 ?
I'm asking. Is that true?
Many Secularists believe they cease to exist at death. What is there
good about them ceasing to exist? Can you name just one good
thing about that, if so , , ,
Name it
{1} _____________

A Faith Based assertion.

"if we completely understood the natural forces, then we should predict
every coin toss and dice roll"___Distraff

You could not prove that true with Empiricism if your life depended on
you so doing. You are a Man Of Faith in the Religion Of Evolution.

That Up There Requires Intelligence -- An Intelligent Designer , , ,
"Nature is actually deterministic"___Distraff

"Nature" is not intelligent and "deterministic" demands "determination"
and "determination" is just "pure word magic" unless there is an Intelligence
behind the "determination."

The word "Nature" is made into an "intelligent" False-god to satisfy your
desperate need for an Intelligent Designer.

The unthinking non-intelligent False-god "Nature" can not determine any thing.

"Nature" is entities such as the , ,
~ winds
~ waves
~ storms
~ atmosphere
~ days
~ nights
~ time passing
~ plants
~ oceans
~ lakes, ponds, streams
~ flowers
~ animals
~ humans
~ Etc etc etc

None of that up there can "determine" that a tiny one-celled speck in the
Primordial Slime eventually became "Oprah Winfrey" and "Joe Biden" , ,

, , and nothing in the False-god named "Nature" is intelligent except for
humans and you may claim animals are intelligent -- but humans and
animals did not produce a , , ,

■ highly complex Human Brain
and
■ a highly complex Human Eye
and
■ a highly complex Fully Functioning Human Body
and
■ a highly complex Earth
and
■ a highly complex Universe.
and eventually a
■ highly complex "George W. Bush"

It required an Intelligent Designer to produce all that up there and
you know it --- the laws of God are "written on their hearts" said
Paul in Romans 2:15 -- all men know there is a God that created
both them and the world all around them , , , ,

", , , since what may be known about God is plain to them,
because God has made it plain to them. For since the
creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal
power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that people are
without excuse."__Romans 1:18-20

"Natural Selection" functions, for all practical purposes, as the Intelligent Designer
in the Religion Of Evolution -- and functions as their desperately-needed God to
explain all this below , ,

Evolutionists believe that their False-god named "Natural Selection" working
through , , ,

~ unthinking non-intelligent Time
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Chance
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Matter , , ,

. . . produced a , , ,

■ highly complex Human Brain
and
■ a highly complex Human Eye
and
■ a highly complex Fully Functioning Human Body
and
■ a highly complex Earth
and eventually produced a , , ,
■ highly complex "George W. Bush."


It takes a lot of Faith to believe all that up there. And my view
is that anybody who believes all that up there is a Great Man
Of Faith -- this is why I speak about the Religion Of Evolution.

Best.

JAG


More later , , , ,

 

Quoted for context.

We disagree.
In my world that up there is a Faith Belief.
Your post up there is your personal assertion, it is NOT Empirical Evidence that demonstrates
your assertion to be true.

I am more than willing to allow what you have posted on that to stand in contrast to what I have
posted on that.

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"If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable."
It is my recollection that you hold the following view >>> "If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable."
If you do, hold that view, then the post below is addressed to you.
If you do NOT hold that view then the post below is NOT addressed to you, but is addressed to
my fictional character Ann Evolutionist.

I will "go with Ann" just to be safe.

"If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable."___Ann Evolutionist

My view is that , , ,
You have to produce absolute proof that 999,999,999,999 trillion to the power of 999,999,999,999 trillion
number of dice, if thrown in the air, enough times, will inevitably, all come up all 6's

Think about that. Don't let that figure "just slip by you."

999,999,999,999 trillion to the power of 999,999,999,999 trillion, number of Dice

Here Is What You Don't Know And Can NOT know , , ,
For all you know for a fact, it might take 999,999,999,999 trillion to the power of 999,999,999,999 trillion
dice to equal the complexity of the total Earth and every single thing on the Earth.
You simply can NOT, , KNOW , , what the actual level of complexity is. And if you say
you DO know, then you are speaking as a Woman or Man Of Faith. and you will have to believe that if you throw
999,999,999,999 trillion to the power of 999,999,999,999 trillion dice, in the air, enough times, they will all inevitably,
come up all 6's and if you DO say you know that is true, then you are a Great Woman or Man Of Faith. You can
NOT prove it with Empirical Evidence.

"If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable."__Ann Evolutionist

This is a a Strong Faith Belief. And it does not matter how high the numbers go on your principle ALL the dice at
some point MUST come up all 6's

We can go 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,9999,999,999 trillion to the power of 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,9999,999,999 trillion, number of dice
and at some point, on your principle, they ALL , , MUST , , come up 6's , , , ,

, , , and THAT my friend is pure FAITH , , , {It takes MORE faith to believe that, than it takes to believe John 3:16}

Best

JAG

PS

Do you deny that on the principle of "If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable" , , that it
does not matter how high the numbers go, on your principle, ALL the dice at some point MUST come
up all 6's

We can go 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,9999,999,999 trillion to the power of 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,9999,999,999 trillion, number of dice
and at some point, on your principle, they ALL , , MUST , , come up 6's , , , ,

And THAT is what you have to believe that is possible in order to believe in the Religion Of Evolution.

And that requires a huge-enormous amount of Faith.

"Have Faith in God."__The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}


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Yes, simple genetics will tell us that chance or what appears to be chance plays a major role in determining the outcome of genetic matchups. A Punnett square is a way of attempting to determine genetic outcomes. That figures in well with Theistic evolution but it is proof that chance plays a role. Now if you have 2 sides to a coin you have two outcomes. If you flip the coin and heads comes up three times in a row I will bet tails. You see the possibility is 50/50 for each toss. But what is the possibility of four heads in a row?

 

The trouble is that these people are devoid of any logic, mundane or otherwise. They use their emotions instead, with predictable results. They deny any facts which contradict their beliefs.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-typing-monkeys.578368/page-5#post-1072063222

 

Thanks for your comments.
What do you think of my point in the post you quoted where I wrote the following?

JAG Wrote:
Do you deny that on the principle of "If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable" , , that it
does not matter how high the numbers go, on your principle, ALL the dice at some point MUST come
up all 6's

We can go 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,9999,999,999 trillion to the power of 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,9999,999,999 trillion, number of dice
and at some point, on your principle, they ALL , , MUST , , come up 6's , ,

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Do you think that's possible? That all of the dice could eventually come up 6's ?
Don't forget now that if you are committed to this principle >>> ""If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable" , , ,
then you gotta say yes all those dice could come up 6's --- and if you can believe that, then you are a true Man Of Faith.

Best.

JAG

Thought For Today.
"God made him {Jesus} who had no sin to be sin for us,
so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
2 Corinthians 5:21.


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I ain't gonna throw the dice that many times but if all dice had a 6 side eventually all will come up six. And... If this is the case everything will eventually repeat itself. But that raises the question of circular or linear. And physical or non physical, like thought or memory.

 

Ahh... so you do reject the scientific method as a means of cumulatively building an understanding of how nature works, eh? As for the Theory of Evolution and natural selection your objections are based on a lack of knowledge, misunderstanding, and mischaracterization and your supposed examples of complexity that can’t be explained according to you, can and have been explained in science literature... even how the human eye was a product of natural selection is not as difficult to understand as religious opponents attributing it to intelligent design might argue from their rejection of the product of scientific inquiry. Within every species, including humans, there existing is a range of genetic variation that given selective pressure, has the potential for the genetic pool of successive generations. And aside from human intervention in the genetic composition of the human species (of which we are at the cusp of doing) natural genetic composition of humans via natural selection is an inevitable product of DNA replication In the reproduction process.
Even the narrative of the inability of science to explain abiogenesis is loosing steam in light of work performed over the last decade. The pieces of that puzzle are being ferreted faster than one not familiar the state of the current research might assume/assert... IMO the prospect of creating artificial life is not that far off on the horizon, given what has been learned/demonstrated over the last decade.
I know your faith is as much in the faith the the humans that contributed to the content of the version of the Bible you follow accurately captured God’s word, and against common sense, it was conveyed accurately across the centuries, multiple language translations and interpretations intact as your faith a God exists in the form and purpose you ascribe to it/him/her. Ok, I would agree I would characterize that as faith. But, explain to me how you think I follow a ‘Religion of Evolution’. You have already asserted the values I embrace, honest, honor and integrity as ‘false’ God’s substituting for God, so, enlighten me with explaining how I follow a religion.

 

You're welcome.

JAG

Thought For Today.
"Do not be anxious about anything, but in every
situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving,
present your requests to God."__ Philippians 4:6

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Great.
That is good to know.
My view is that you a Man Of Great Huge-Enormous Faith.

JAG Wrote:
We can go 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,9999,999,999 trillion to the power of 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,9999,999,999 trillion, number of dice
and at some point, on your principle, they ALL , , MUST , , come up 6's , ,

_______

Do you think that's possible? That all of the dice could eventually come up 6's ?
Don't forget now that if you are committed to this principle >>> ""If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable" , , ,
then you gotta say yes all those dice could come up 6's --- and if you can believe that, then you are a true Man Of Faith.

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JAG.