The Republicans, the Destroyer of Worlds

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    "We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried. Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhaguvad god, Vishnu is trying to persuade the prince that he should do his duty, and to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form, and says: 'Now I have become death, the Destroyer of Worlds.' I suppose we all thought that, one way or another."

    This famous statement by Robert J. Oppenheimer, after the bombs dropped in Japan, is all the more relevant today. The first time it accurately depicted Republicans was with the Invasion of Afghanistan and the Iraq War in 2002 and 2003. The Republican House and Senate, Vishnu, was trying to persuade the Prince, then-president, George W. Bush, to impress him with the vote to go into the Middle East, to contribute to destroying their world.

    Now, Oppenheimer's comment is once again relevant describing the Modern Day Trump/Nationalist party. Except it has gone beyond the scope of foreign countries, and the innocent civilians. The Republicans, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, are Vishnu, persuading their Prince, Donald Trump, to move a healthcare bill that will destroy the worlds of average Americans with a healthcare bill that will displace an estimated sum of 14 million Americans. 14 million individuals worlds destroyed.

    Then to add to that, keeping innocent people from seeking a better life, both Muslims and Mexicans alike, the Prince herein is destroying their world. Violating their human rights with multi-armed forms of ICE agents and travel bans. Called upon vigilantes to take care of politicians and division of the Islam faith in America. The few people laughing, the Bannon's and hardcore supporters, and the few people crying, the rest of America, have engaged in our own civil war.

    Trump is what Oppenheimer described himself as. The Destroyer of Worlds, the becoming of Death. Thus the Republicans historically, and presently, are the Destroyer of Worlds party.
     
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    Are Republicans not able to grasp the truth on this board that Oppenheimer's famous statement is just as relevant today as it was when it was initially made? This is what is wrong with this country, people are in this trance that they are missing the larger picture.
     
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    Granted our neocon New American Century foreign policy, where we break international law fits with the "destroyer of worlds" hyperbole, and it fits with this scheme of the neoliberals, on behalf of our elites, to create the greatest disparity in income and wealth possible, without revolution, using open borders economic globalization, but it hardly fits with this health insurance deal. And it sure as hell does not fit with your open borders beliefs, which is a part of the scheme to max out income disparity by depressing and the stagnation of wages to benefit the top. Which by the way, the democrats are as much to blame as the GOP.

    Economic nationalism is how all nations operated, because it looked out for a nation's citizens, economically, and is part and parcel of what created history's largest middle class here in America once upon a time. And yet your tribe wants to equate this to the nationalism of the Nazis. But it is not the same nationalism, economic nationalism is simply common sense and looking out for your own people. So you are all screwed up and full of deceit and incoherence IMHO.

    In regards to healthcare, they are replacing one scheme which enriches big insurance with another which still enriches big insurance. For who in the hell do you think writes these bills? People will lose coverage, no doubt, and it will be closer to what we had prior to obamacare which was a tweaked right wing think tank healthcare bill as an alternative to hillarycare long ago. Obamacare is a joke, and the only people who benefited were people who could get Medicaid or money to help pay for their insurance. The average person who worked, and who had to pay the full price saw a reduction in coverage, with deductables so high, they paid out the arse for an insurance they could not use unless they got badly hurt in an accident or had a life threatening illness. And it changed healthcare in hospitals so badly that my daughter, an RN, said her coworkers were leaving as soon as they could get out of nursing. To keep obamacare, a horrible healthcare system unless you are so poor s to get Medicaid, is not an option. And yet what we need is Medicare for all, and your democrats against the chagrin of Sanders refused to allow that as an option when they ran obamacare through congress. Of course big insurance wrote obamacare, as they wrote it for that right wing think tank, to benefit themselves. And boy is surely enriched them. And for the working person who isn't on Medicaid, it sucks. It is one big joke.

    You know what needs to happen? The democratic party needs to go back to the party of FDR and stop being GOP lite, being owned by the elites. And only representing the upper middle class and upper class. Which means they would win elections again, assume power again for they would be pro union, anti open borders, anti economic slave labor middle class destroying globalism, and give us single payer medicare for all. Which means you would have to join some fascist 3rd party or the GOP to even find principles you agree with. We need to clean out my old party the democratic party, and lose these faux liberals and faux progressives that belong to this party today, and get some damned common sense again in my old party. For unless they do, the working people in this nation will eventually revolt and that can be a very violent thing.
     
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    Don't anti-Tumpists care about the safety of their kids and families?
    "Prince" Don sounds okay to me..:)

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    The Muslims and the Mexicans destroyed their own world. That's why they want to leave.
     
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    True, and unfortunately they are, by and large, bringing their cess pools with them...
     
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    There are so many problems with this, I'll probable be typing for a solid half hour.

    1. The Death rate under Obamacare rose, so statistically Obamacare "destroyed worlds"
    2. It is not a human right to live in the United States, it has never been, it will never be, because a country has the right to control who can and who can't come in.
    3. Funny how you should say Muslims have their human rights in the U.S, Sharia Law, the legal system of most Muslim countries, is nothing but one Human Rights violation after another.
    4. Quick History Lesson, Democrats supported and fought for the right for people to be owned, Are they not historically a "destroyer or worlds" party?
    5. Trump is the embodiment of death? IS THAT really the argument you are trying to make right now? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound right now?
    6. This is fear mongering, plain and simple, you are stating that if 14 million people are not dependent on the government for healthcare, every last one of them will have their lives destroyed, that's asinine.

    This entire post is a clear indicator of Obama's success in re-shaping American culture. People now believe if people aren't reliant on the government, those people are automatically doomed. Orwellian. And of course, those who disagree with this new "utopia" need to be ignored and replaced. As I have seen you advocate for in past posts. You label people fascists and argue that they shouldn't be able to have a say in society. Well sadly, those people are in power, and they are trying to make people less dependent, clearly a frightening prospect to you, since you just called the leader the embodiment of death. This post is pathetic, and further evidence of the Democrat Party's decay. For people who wonder why Democrats can't win I provide this post as an example of their self absorbed, fear mongering culture. This post reflects the Democrat base, and that's why as long as there are people like this, the Democrats will never be able to counter Trump, no matter how incompetent or foolish the President is.
     
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    Sorry the only thing Republicans Trump included really destroy is stupid leftist illusions we do the best we can to give people the power to save and to create their own worlds and their place in it. The left thinks one person must destroy everyone elses world in order to create their own. The reality is a symbiotic effect in which every one creates his own world and their by lifts up those around him.
     
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  9. Balto

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    Do you feel better now? And I say that with all due respect.

    I don't use quotes like Oppenheimer's loosely. I was reminded of this quote when the Bush Administration basically made bloodshed in the Middle East, I am reminded once again by what Trump is proposing.
    1. What was the CBO report for the first draft of Trumpcare? 24-26 million displaced by 2024? That number has been reduced, but this bill is being called by both sides o the aisle as,, "Obamacare Lite."
    2. It is a human right to survive. When you cant go back to your own homeland because of unrest, it becomes a humanitarian obligation on behalf of larger countries like the US to step in. We are not a country club, a selective society. When we discuss these issues with immigration, both from Mexico and the Middle East, we need to dig deeper than simply law and order, and look at human rights, which go beyond borders. This is why the wall will accomplish nothing.
    3. I personally condemn Sharia Law, given how barbaric it is. It may be the law of the land in other Muslim-majority countries, that doesn't mean it has to be the law here.
    4. I am not trying to draw any correlation between Trump and death necessarily, but the healthcare bill, as it stands, may cause death for some who were benefitting from Obamacare. Also, it could mean death if Trump tries to draw bloodshed in the Middle East like GWB did, bloodshed of our American brothers and sisters that is the reality of "rebuilding the military."
    5 This isn't fear mongering, it is a well-thought out observation. Fear mongering would be, "Trump is going to take your Grandma, and make sure she dies." That's fear mongering, and that's not what I'm projecting here.

    You can use this post, go ahead. But what it will reflect off of you, over me, is a poor interpretation on your part you believe this thread is fear-mongering, when its not. And I'll close this response with how I opened it.

    I don't use quotes like Oppenheimer's loosely.
     
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    I'm shocked, balto posts another steaming pile hyperbolic crap.
     
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    For the ignorantly stupid, these throw away one-liners is all the justification they need for their simple minds to blame someone.

    For those with at least a healthy respect to the lessons of history, it is an omen of more violence yet to come as history once again repeats itself.
     
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    I'm noticing this blatantly naive belief among conservatives; that if government were to just go away, everyone would be able to open up their own little business and everything would be honky-doree.

    If only the world were that simple. If only you could turn back the hands of time.
     
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    These same constant sobbing and ranting threads you start are tiresome and seem to represent constant panic and depression. They add exactly nothing to the conversation.

    No, you are not "we" and now even claiming to be "we all." You are just "you."

    We all cheered learning that finally someone who wasn't just an bought and paid for insider has been elected president. Maybe there is long term hope for this country after all. Your "destroyer of worlds" who wanted to start a nuclear holocaust with Russia lost, the brain damaged KKK Dixiecrat racist and sociopath Hilary Clinton - a defeat we all cheered even more.
     
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    Nice try deflecting the issue to try pinning it on me. Typical conservatism, terrible comeback. But feel free to try again.
     
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    The OP message is depressed fear and hate mongering on steroids. :roll:
     
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    If you have no response just say so.
     
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    I'm simply pointing out you are avoiding the topic at hand, rather trying to position it as if I have some issue with panic and depression.

    Your attempts at deflecting from the issue at hand shows more about your mannerisms, than they do mine.
     
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    That is silly, and that's not what I've said, in terms of healthcare, 14 million people are not going to die if the government cuts them off.
     
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    "When you’re losing an argument, you still have the viable option of throwing out some insults." Oscar Wilde

    Are Mexicans and Muslims clamoring to come here because their world is great or because it is the pits. And if the latter, who made it the pits? America??? Who, exactly?
     
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    And on WHAT do you base that on?
     
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    Educate yourself...if you dare actually challenge your prejudices.

    ETA: In regards to the current ME issues, in the current past, Bush's tromp into Iraq undeniably created the vacuum that gave birth to ISIS. From a longer perspective, the West's carving up the ME post WWI.

    As for situation with Mexico, it has been a long history in which the United States has created the migration here for work. It is a culturally embedded issue which is easily forgotten when the economics dictates, but has always served as a whipping boy issue for white Americans.
     
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    I'm a liberal, and I don't agree with the way you describe liberal thinking at all. Your description more accurately applies to Republican conservatives and the alt-right. For example. . .Obamacare. As a liberal, I feel nothing should be destroyed here, for there are several parts of the law that have improved health care coverage for all of us in America, including Republicans. It's the conservative, alt-right Republicans who want to "destroy" Obamacare "in order to create their own" health care system, which is proving to be far inferior in both coverage and cost to Obamacare. As a liberal, I suggest we fix what's wrong with Obamacare while keeping what's right and good for most Americans, rather than destroying the whole thing and starting over.
     
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    The illusion is that Obamacare helped anyone. The second illusion is that anyone anywhere knows what the Republican health care alternative is going to look like. First the senate has to pass its version then it's headed to conference committee, and that won't happen till this fall given the glacial pace of the senat no matter which party runs if these days.
     
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    As expected the "great anti establishment hope", has turned out to be an establishment puppet. Just like Obama's "Hope and Change" platitudes, the high and mighty platitudes of Trump "Make merica great again" are just as empty.
     
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    That is a stretch as far as one can see.
    So your contention is there would not have been an ISIS if we hadn't toppled Sadam? How about if Obama hadn't ran off? How about if the Ottomans didn't lose?
    We had the jobs and allowed Mexicans to enter legally with work visas; so?
    I have no idea what your last statement means.
     

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