All these just prove we were and are right. I feel the absolute need of scientific evidence waste a lot of time. Why can't we just trust people's testimonies? Espectially when there are thousands with many creditable and renown people. No, they are real. They are not science fiction. One insider told me and many others in this forum. You should read article from Ben Rich, the "Father of the Stealth Fighter-Bomber" and former head of Lockheed Skunk Work". https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2...kheed-ceo-admits-on-deathbed-et-ufo-are-real/ And NASA reveal Hidden Magnetic Portals or Gateway exist all around the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVOHwshcA0
But not the paid scientists I don't know about that. May be most of them but not Laser Technology, Bullet proof vest, Remote control, Fiber Optics, Microchip, Integrated Circuit, Night Vision Device etc, these are advanced alien technologies. Our entire human history are wrong.
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I do have practical question: Shall we get vaccination? I heard a lot bad thing about it. so, so far I have not got any. but I am also being pressured to get one every year.
Remembering any Public Health mandate is an infringement on personal FREEDOM - YES to mandatory Polio and DPT vaccinations. All Else should be optional and FREE and subject to Informed Consent as any medical procedure. It is a fertile lady's responsibility to have Rubella antibodies, not mine. Personal FREEDOM and Personal Responsibility. REMEMBER, you heard it from Moi first. Autism is a pediatric variant of Guillain Barre Syndrome It may occur with natural infections or artificial/vaccine induced infection responses. What is G-B Syndrome? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain%E2%80%93Barr%C3%A9_syndrome What is the Pediatric Variant? A poor or no Blood Brain Barrier allowing the syndrome into the brain of children. Social centers being the metabolically most active developing areas of a kid's brain is likewise most sensitive. Higher biological activity endows vulnerability. No study has been under taken to study this possibility. They spent money on lead long after the lead was out. Now, go figure. Yup. Money Drives Science. Not Truth. Peer Pressure Drives Science so don't think Independently. Moi, BSc Biological Sciences, M.D. No
I am not all that sure have a clue - go sit with some amateur astronomers and see how many UFOs they have seen. I know you wont believe me, but not much gets passed them
Sounds like you are one of the amateur and haven't seen any. I don't know, but most on youtube are ones who happened to have camera when they are on street or when they look out the window in a building or airports.
lol. I was thinking the ufos fly around the China airport couple years ago, and they have to close the airport because of that. Nuclear facilities attract ufos too.
There were about 1,900 cases of whooping cough in California last year, a sharp increase from the year before. See http://www.mercurynews.com/health/ci_25001359/marin-has-second-highest-rate-whooping-cough-state This increase is largely attributable to the refusal of parents to vaccinate their children. Affluent and educated parents are especially likely to refuse vaccination. The reason is that fear of vaccine has become an uninformed fashion among the affluent, just like fear of gluten and fear of silver amalgam tooth fillings. There may be grounds for concern, but these must be weighed against the risks of not vaccinating. Widespread disease takes a far greater toll than the marginal dangers of vaccination. I agree that there should be freedom of choice, but just as with polio and diphtheria, the public interest is most important.
Bobov If it was refusal to vaccinate causing the Pertussis epidemics, where are the Diphtheria epidemics? You can't get a D vaccination without a P ! Answer that and stop being a parrot ! If the vaccination schedule was slowed and the number required was reduced, I do not believe there would be so much public resistance. People are reacting to a "run away" system as best they can. Restrain the system. And people will feel more secure. Require Polio and DPT for public health, and make all else optional and FREE and encouraged but not a must. Moi No
the need for scientific evidence is never a waste of time. It is what fuels the advancement of our civilization. why should we not trust peoples religious testimonies? for the same reason that every day natural phenomena were considered miracles by the primiative and ignorant authors of the bible. So, extraterrestrial beings of far more advanced technolgy exist, but for some peculiar reason are hiding from us? Since they couldn''t possibly be scared of us, why do they sneak around? Were they created in gods image too? Did God miraculously impregnate one of their females (assuming that sex exists) so his demigod offspring could die for their sins? Or are they simply the devil's spawn awaiting the apocalypse? sorry pal, while I do believe there are all manner of unidentified flying objects, I am skeptical that any are extraterrestrial since there is absolutely no evidence to even suggest that as a logical explanation of the phenomena. Lots of imagination, no evidence. Exactly like religion. .
You mean like those employed by the tobacco industry a couple of decades ago that insisted there was no link between tabacco smoke and cancer, lung/heart disease? Or the small vocal cadre that are employed by the oil/gas/coal industries to claim that agw is a hoax? Or the few crackpots who think that evolution is a hoax? Yep, there are some mercenary scientists out there who are more intersted in their bank balances than actual science. do you have any idea how nutty that sounds? particularly since there is a documented progression of the development of htose technologies? Do you do standup?
The issue, for me anyway, has always been the hijacking of science by the atheist philosophy. Many great scientific advancements were done so by men and women who also maintained spiritual lives. Of course, statistically, the majority of scientists and technologists today would identify themselves as atheist; but in and of itself the scientific method is not incompatible with religion. Science seeks to understand and define the observable World, unveiling the mysteries of the unknown, into the known. Analytical thinking can lead one astray of a spirtual mindset into one based purely on the empirical..this is more often the case in modernity. We believe we're too smart to fall into the trap of believing in the God of the gaps. What we don't know, God is responsible for...the God of the gaps. I don't think people fully grasp how fragile our existence truly is. We're fortunate enough to reside on a planet that is capable of both sustaining and nurturing life...a thin atmosphere, and a magnetic umbrella which keeps cosmic radiation from making things uninhabitable..is all that separates us from being just another lifeless rock orbiting a star. Spirituality, I believe taps into a more intuitive part of our existence that recognizes the fragility and temporal nature of our lives. Science seems to think there is a solution to everything...immortality, the colonization of space...humankind will exist forever...thanks all to science. I think that is delusional...humankind will go extinct like 99% of all the life forms that have existed prior to and during our arrival as intelligent primates. Everyone alive today, no matter how old or how young... is going to die eventually. Not to be morbid, or dwelling on such a taboo topic...the pondering of one's fleeting and fragile existence taps into our spiritual nature as well...this needs to be nourished to truly be fully human. We're not solely a material, empirical entity.
Polly wanna cracker! Awk! I was just citing the newspaper article. When I was a kid in NYC, all public school kids got free shots. Why are polio and diphtheria more important than other diseases kids might get vaccinations for? If those can be mandatory, why not others? Isn't it strange there's so much resistance in places like Marin County?
There is a subtle difference between 'testimony' & scientific facts. Scientific evidence, to be valid, has to be repeatable & observable. that is the nature of scientific inquiry. Testimony for an event is a legal or historical matter, to verify a past event. By its very nature it is not repeatable or observable, nor is it subject to the scientific method. They are different things, & blending them causes grief for anyone using the scientific method. This is why anecdotal evidence has little meaning to the true scientist. Unless it can be observed, tested, & repeated, it is outside the realm of science.
Then, there is a big weakness in scientific method. Truth may not be best approached by scientific method at all.They can't see the fact or truth even when it lay in front of their eye. They have to waste their time to repeatedly re-observe and observe, this is dumb. When there are thousands of witnessess including many creditable people from all different part of the world witness the same thing are good enough for many of us. Whether we are scientists, historians, archeologists, astronants , theologists or any researchers....All we are doing is to find answers, truth and facts. And I see the shortage of today's scientific method.
Good post. Science of today in the mainstream can't prove and see spiritual, so they don't exist, we don't need them. How wrong they are. Today's Science only deal with material things that we can touch, we can see, we can observe, how primitive is that. It's time for scientists to raise themselves to another level.
I don't consider it a 'weakness'.. it is just limited in its scope. True science MUST content itself with those things that it can test, repeat, & observe. Historical & legal matters can use intelligent processes to arrive at 'truth', just not the scientific method. That is the problem with today's 'science', imo. They try to leap beyond their ability & make dogmatic decrees on things that science cannot evaluate. Even things like dating techniques delve into the subjective opinion. Obviously, those cannot be tested or repeated, & all the conclusions are built upon assumptions that cannot be proven. So while dating methods might fit within a 'model' of explanations or theory, they are still an educated guess, & not truly subject to scientific scrutiny. The AGW movement, too, is an example of leaping beyond the scope of science. They extrapolate data, plug into COMPUTER models, & declare 'truth'. Anyone remotely familiar with the scientific method & experimentation can see the myriads of assumptions being made.. these are not scientifically proven facts.. they aren't even good hypotheses. Temperatures in ice core samples are very speculative, & built up assumption that are impossible to know. They only use data that fits their model, & use a smorgasbord style of scientific research, picking what they like, & ignoring what does not fit. Yet both of these things.. wildly speculative opinions, are presented as gospel truth in schools, national parks, public tv & radio, & just about every institution. It is an illustration of anti science, where the agenda trumps science. Maybe some of these speculations are true.. but 'science' has not proved them. We should encourage skepticism & critical thinking, instead of mandated conformity. 'Science' should be beyond the control of the propagandists, & we should not let them hijack the scientific method for their personal political agendas..
so a non scientist(you) who has no comprehension of the particular science involved, gets to define the scientific process?...if you don't agree with the results or it conflicts with your political slant it's biased propaganda? ...somehow I doubt the real scientists are going to lose any sleep over you're opinion...
that's akin to someone insisting on the right to hunt in an urban environment, to hell with innocent bystanders getting hit with a stray bullet....if someone choosing not to have a vaccine threatens the lives of others who are unable to be vaccinated they should forfeit the right to healthcare, jobs and taking part in our society until they do...one person's freedom stops when it infringes on another persons safety...
the causes of the rise of anti-science in US politics can be readily observed within this thread. Half baked perceptions of science, total acceptance of the supernatural, dismissal of inconvenient scientific truth/fact, social media magnification of fringe opinion relevance such as biblical literalism, not to mention large dollop of ignorance and a soupcon of stupidity. Of course few anti-science advocates possess all of those attributes. One or two is more than enough.
