The root of all Russia vs West tensions

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  1. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    Russia ended up being invaded by its formal allies from all sides - Americans took control over Siberia, UK - part of Ukraine, Greece - Crimea and so on. This happened at the worst possible time, when Russian civil war was in progress. The former allies were aiding the white army - enemy of the Bolsheviks.

    Assessment by historians:

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War

    I’m no fan of Pootin or russia, I don’t try to justify Russian crimes of today or provide an excuse to them - all I’m doing is trying to shine some light on seemingly historical conflict.
    In my opinion invading a country that just sued for peace and gave up a giant piece of its territory is a recipe for disaster. That invasion by former allies was completely uncalled for.
    Many Russians don’t remember that conflict much, but it was the root of all anti-West hysteria that Russia was feeding its citizens since then. Prior to this, Russia was an American ally in pretty much all conflicts.
    Question is - can Russians, that forgot about this conflict but were fed propaganda based on it, overcome themselves and see America as something that might be a friend? And most importantly - it doesn’t seem to be Americans who caused this conflict, more likely they were led by a more powerful country at the time into this mess - the British Empire.
    This is the main reason why Stalin bacame paranoid after WWII - he remembered what happened to Russia after WWI. History channel in the US likes to air the show where it claims Americans were afraid that Russians will invade Alaska when in reality Russians feared American invasion.
    Does that make Russian annexation of Crimea right? No! Does it make it right for Russia to cause conflicts in neighboring states? No!
    Let’s debate!
     
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    I don't see Russian attitudes towards the West premised on anything this shallow.
    I am not a fan of The Single Cause (unless it's the JFK assassination that is!)

    I see three reasons:

    Cultural mistrust
    Envy of the West
    Communism
     
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    The Russians have/currently suffered from inferiority complex, and for some reason thought that everyone was conspiring on them, hence their perpetual "paranoia".
     
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    That's a good reply. Certainly been my observation of them.
    They talk about how many times they have been invaded.
    But... how many times has France, Spain etc been invaded
    and how many times did Russia invade other countries?
     
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    The idea that was cooked up back in 1972 was an important factor as well.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nd-its-influence-on-mideast-terrorism.505610/
     
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    I’m no fan of Pootin or russia either.

    I believe the root cause of tensions is propaganda. Second is ignorance.

    Mind you, there are power plays, political enemies are used for populus control.

    Russia didn't lost its empire, or a large portion of power, as most european powers did. You don t like big stack bullies while playing poker, right? The west does not want Russia to have more power. Russia wants more power, naturally. Both use tensions to advance the goals in a number of ways. Causes also differ by region.


    You made a claim that Russia makes for good allies. I believe they are as good as any. Ironically, the anti russian sentiment is high even in the balkan region, a region that historically was freed from ottoman influence by Russia. For example, today Romanians overwhelming dislike russians but they were allies during the 19century and in WWI, ...until they were neighbors. Times change.

    ...The first one was performed while Ottomans were dealing with the Greek uprising, see Greek War of Independence. The Greeks' independence war led to the Russian forces advancing into Bulgaria before the Turks sued for peace...

    The second independence movement happened during the uprisings. See Bosnia and Herzegovina: 19th-20th centuries, Romanian War of Independence. An uprising against Ottoman rule began in Herzegovina in July 1875. The Bulgarians organised the April Uprising, which lasted from April to May 1876.

    During the Russo-Turkish war of 1877–1878, in February 1878 the Russian army had almost reached the Ottoman capital but, scared the city might fall, the British sent a fleet of battleships to intimidate Russia from entering the Ottoman capital. Under pressure from the British fleet to negotiate on the outcome of the war, Russia agreed a settlement under the Treaty of San Stefano on March 3, by which the Ottoman Empire recognized the independence of Romania, Serbia and Montenegro and autonomy of Bulgaria. The Congress of Berlin also allowed Austria to occupy Bosnia and Herzegovina and Great Britain to take over Cyprus
     
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