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The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by DennisTate, Apr 29, 2013.

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Is turning deserts green a good response to climate change?

  1. No, only a carbon tax of some form will stop climate change!

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%

  2. Yes, plants are both a carbon as well as a water sink!

    14 vote(s)
    41.2%

  3. No, we should never engage in geo-engineering of any form or shape, EVER!!!

    6 vote(s)
    17.6%

  4. Yes, with one billion hungry, how can we go wrong by producing more food?

    17 vote(s)
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  1. Day of the Candor

    Day of the Candor Well-Known Member

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    Water is good. Carbon is good. Try to maintain life on this planet without either one of them and see what you get. Nothing that lives can live for long without water and carbon. Try explaining that to a bone head liberal. Useless as teats on a nun.
     
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    Yup.... they don't call us carbon based life for nothing......
    and since the human body is over seventy percent H2O.........
    it sure does seem like something of a no - brainer isn't it.........

    On the other hand.....
    this increased level of carbolic acid in the oceans as atmospheric carbon rises has made me rethink where I was at on all this back in 2008 or so!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/science/394228-ocean-acidification.html

    Ocean acidification...
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It will be very expensive.... but the numbers must be compared with the cost of building dikes, sea walls,
    levees and moving residents of low lying towns and cities to higher altitude.

    Israel did large scale desalination to boost their agricultural sector...... and for towns....
    that should be the primary motivation in all nations where this is done.
     
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    To lower the ocean 1 foot would require removing 28,940,800,000,000,000 gallons of water - and stop anymore coming in other than to replace evaporation.

    Cost to desalinate: The cost of desalinated water, the majority of which is accounted for by plant capital costs and energy costs, is typically in the range of $0.5 to $3 per cubic meter of water (0.05-0.3 dollar cents per liter of water). The lower end of the scale corresponds to regions where electricity costs are low (e.g. Middle East) and the higher end to regions where electricity costs are high (e.g. Australia, where electricity is sometimes mandated to be from renewable energy). There are 264 gallons of water in a cubic meter.

    We'll calculate from the lowest 50 cents figure.

    So, this is the math: So it would ONLY cost $58 trillion dollars - ASSUMING you can figure a way to stop evaporation from happening so it doesn't rain back on the oceans. Do you have a theory as to how stop water from evaporating?

    A mere $58 trillion and develop a way to keep water on a desert at 130 degrees from evaporating. Easy as can be. :roflol:
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another option is to export Canadian or European beavers to many nations so that rain makes its way back to the ocean significantly more slowly.

    What do you personally think of this verse in Genesis?

    Was Moses - Moshe a brilliant economist?

    "And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
    And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they
    begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." (Genesis 11)


    There are a number of catches though.......
    for example.....

    Ecclesiastes 10:19


    "A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. "
     
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    There is now a major update on this topic.......

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene

    Now it is possible to desalinate ocean water with grapheme screens
    that will take the salt out of the water..... this will reduce the cost of desalination of ocean water down to a fraction of what it now costs.
     
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    All they have to do is 1.) figure how to make it on a large scale that is affordable and 2.) determine how durable it is. In other words, it is not something that can be done now - so there is no project that can be done now.
     
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    But it could be planned for within five years because grapheme is so strong.... and the wires can be so thin......... that a screen capable of taking salt out of ocean water could be developed within months.

    But yes.... testing would be necessary.... but within five years is quite possible.
     
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    No, nothing can be planned on hoped technical advances. Nor is the question of capability, but durability, availability, and costs to filter 29,840 trillion gallons of water. There also is still the challenge of growing plants in sand.

    Graphene doesn't stop water from evaporating, does it? So even if that could be done, it would not change sea levels one iota.
     
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    True.... but the Geoff Lawton Permaculture results in Jordan and some other nations are sure encouraging......


    Permaculture Behind Greening the Desert with Geoff Lawton full 8:40min clip





    Geoff Lawton - Permaculture School Garden in Jordan's Dead Sea Valley
     
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    This is encouraging....

    Graphene sieve turns seawater into drinking water
     
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    Margot2.... what do you personally think of the number 4.3 TRILLION
    Dollars US perhaps hitting the market soon if..........
    many nations do attempt to go off the Petro Dollar?


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...inflation-i-ever-read.502018/#post-1067621071

    Best explanation for Weimar Republic Inflation I ever read....
    ......

    If... AA is correct that this kind of money might hit the market within a number of months.......
    it is very important to have places to funnel them into.......
    so that devaluation of the US dollar is kept to a minimum.....
    if you, for example, went down to being at par with the Canadian dollar
    that might not be too bad of a thing and actually might just
    be good for US exports?!
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK... I think I should go and look Dr. Liu and Tony Lovell right now.

    I will also leave you with:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...change-is-real.503883/page-15#post-1067789386

    A very simple and easy to understand explanation of why climate change is REAL.


    https://permaculturenews.org/2012/1...ack-where-it-belongs-in-the-earth-tedx-video/

    TONY LOVELL ON SOIL CARBON: PUTTING CARBON BACK WHERE IT BELONGS – IN THE EARTH (TEDX VIDEO)
    POLITICALCENTER..... THAT VIDEO IS AWESOME!!!!!!

    THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    You are very welcome. I no longer till my garden and the results so far are amazing.
     
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    CO2 is already greening the Sahel.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes........ I read an article or two about that.........
    truly good news indeed!
     
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    Due to the way that the Bay of Fundy funnels tidal waters.......
    residents of the town of Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada should be
    especially interested in what is being accomplished through the
    Sahara Forest Project.





    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...r-ndp-and-conservative-cooperation-on.526448/
    M.L.A. Lenore Zann... proposal for NDP and Conservative cooperation on....
     
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    What do you personally think of what Israel is accomplishing in the field of large scale desalination?

    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/534996/megascale-desalination/

    Megascale Desalination
    The world’s largest and cheapest reverse-osmosis desalination plant is up and running in Israel.
    Availability: now

     
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    What do you think of this option?

    https://seawatergreenhouse.com/
     
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    I thought so too....... it really gives us hope that this mess can be turned around for our grandchildren.
     
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    I have got to read this soon......

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com...h-kiribati-maldives-cyclone-marshall-islands/

    Will Pacific Island Nations Disappear as Seas Rise? Maybe Not
    Reef islands can grow and change shape as sediments shift, studies show.

    ....
     
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