One of America’s greatest shames. It resulted in 2/3rds of Europe being enslaved, and machine-gunned teen bodies hanging from barbed wire.
Please. Russia and Germany would have killed each other off, or at the very least weakened each other so badly that we could have annihilated both. SomethingI hope the Sunni and Shiite do. Furthermore, does it really matter whether you end up in a concentration camp or gulag? Either way your ?!&$ed. Hitler: 6-8 Million, brutalized and butchered. Stalin: 20-30 million, brutalized and butchered.
Hitler would have taken over Europe and then most if the known world and dwarfed Stalin's numbers. We chose the lesser of two evils. Real life is often that choice.
Evil is never necessary, that’s what makes it evil. Acting morally always is, that is if you want to be happy and prosperous.
I'm surprised the Saudi's didn't just trot out someone to throw in prison for this at this point. I'm wondering if it will come later in the cycle.
Just to be clear, that dictator actually doesn't fall under our criminal justice system. We can cut ties with them at any time.
I think this nails on the head the issue. Already congress has decided to send a formal letter to the administration asking what they are going to do. Congress could decide on sanctions, or cutting aid, if it is upset enough over what happens.
The alternative would have been aligning with Hitler, but then again we've been compromising our principles since the 1960's. Can I list some of them: 1 - Supporting terrorists. 2 - Demonizing leaders that won't do our bidding to the detriment of their own people. 3 - Instigating friction between groups and starting civil wars so as to overthrow governments. 4 - Going against international law and invading countries.
There's a "presumption of innocence" in Court ONLY, and according to AMERICAN law. Making a fair assumption based on the facts and posting it, (on this issue or any other) is not in the same ballpark. Many here are 'Logic challenged.' `
The "presumption of innocence" goes beyond legal practices. It's how we should treat each other. Treat others as you would want to be treated. That's good rule to go by in any situation.
In light of NO facts, everyone is presumed innocent. HOWEVER, in this case we have a serious Facts that point to the Saudi Prince. Another logic-challenged wonder. bye
So if the evidence is clear and Turkey, who claims to have it, why haven't they deported the SA consulate ambassadors?
That doesn't negate the fact that we can cut ties with them at any time. That's you just saying it's not a good idea. Your question was if we could cut ties with them at any time.
Every administration to include Trump under stood the saying "it's the global economy, stupid." The US works with SA to ensure they don't use their power within OPEC to control oil prices. We learned the hard way how much power SA has over oil prices back in the 70's if you were old enough to remember the oil embargo. The reality is, he who controls the oil controls the global economy. And the US needs the global economy to be strong.
The latest is that one of the suspects in the killing of Khashoggi has died in a suspicious car accident in Saudi Arabia. I guess he can't be investigated now. If the tales of Khashoggi's death and torture coming out of Turkey are true, and the crown prince is as evil as he appears, then maybe we should break with precedence and stop supporting tyrants, criminals and terrorists. Up until now we have been having our fun, by turning the innocent into tyrants and visa versa through our propaganda. The Prince said he will retaliate to our actions - and he can by raising oil prices sky high and throw us into a depression, so how should we respond? Well we do have a powerful military. I say we use it to confiscate the Saudi oil wells - but we won't. Instead we'll probably attack Venezuela to grab its wells - or maybe Iran's. .
Certainly the saudis are entitled to the same presumption of innocence as Hillary In other words, lock them up
More and Final: Based on the facts we know so far, it is infinitely more Logical to assume the Saudi Leader is Guilty than innocent. We are not sitting on a USA Jury. We are not going to hang him here. This is a message board. WE owe him no "presumption of innocence"... but we owe each other logical debate.. on all news issues. As logic would also dictate, half the people here are below the average 100 IQ. Have a nice thread. `
Stop deflecting. It's just pathetic at this point. Your question was: And the answer is, Yes, the United States can cut relations with them at any time. And then you started shifting your goal posts. I answered your question.
