The Saudi Murder: Rush to Judgment?

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  1. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The FBI did investigate Hillary Clinton and did find her guilty of mishandling classified information. But Comey believed it did not meet the requirement to charge her. That in itself can be debated. So lets wait for the Turks to do their investigation before coming to a conclusion of guilt or innocence. But they have already made it clear they have the evidence to show guilt so I don't understand why they now need to enter the SA consulate to investigate further. Maybe you can offer an explanation?
     
  2. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sadly so many Americans believe the US is so strong it has no weaknesses. But it's America's one strength that is also it's weakness, capitalism. But America cannot survive on capitalism without a strong global economy. Although the US does not need OPEC's oil, most countries do to maintain a strong economy. Maybe you can address this fact instead of resorting to childish name calling?
     
  3. ArmySoldier

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    Can you cite the name you were called? Or is this more nonsense coming out of your mouth?

    You questioned whether or not the United States could cut ties with KSA at any time. I gave you an answer, and THEN when you received the answer you didn't like, you shifted the goal posts.

    It's called "deflecting".
     
  4. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once again you get the last word.
     
  5. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, no, no, Mr. Accusation. Cite for me the name you claimed to have been called. Are you denying what you just posted?
     
  6. flyboy56

    flyboy56 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're right, so let me correct that. I wrongly focused on the word pathetic instead of seeing it in it's entire context. Now as far as I'm concerned this conversation is over.
     
  7. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I respect you for saying this.
    /conversation
     
  8. Scamander

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    And now something else is confirmed about Mohammed bin Salman; he's a psychopath.

    Clearly a deeply disturbed dude, perhaps in the mould of Saddam Hussein. Or, even worse, Saddam's son Uday.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jul/23/iraq.suzannegoldenberg
    Thank God that lunatic never got to rule Iraq for no Iraqi might have survived to tell about it.

    From a medical perspective you can't blame bin Salman for his mental deficiency. Mental illness is not something you choose to have in your brain.
    Unfortunately, from a political perspective, this lunatic rules a country where, if you speak your mind, you will quickly become his fish-bait.

    Rest assure; Mohammed bin Salman ordered the torture and murder of Jamal Khashoggi, which makes him a ruthless, cold-blooded, sadistic animal.

    His father must be very proud of him.
     
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  9. Josephwalker

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    Meanwhile in the real world you are often forced to choose between the lesser of two evils.
     
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    And now we've heard from the KGB
     
  11. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If by the real world, you mean the choices made by humans, they’re mostly delusional; if you mean the nature of the universe and the human being’s place in it, then I would submit, live by principles or die as slaves and serfs.
     
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    By real world I mean exactly that. In the real world you are forced by reality to make concessions. Take this simple example. A truck crosses the center line and you have two choices. You can have a head on collision or steer off the road and hit a tree. You choose the lesser of two evils here and hit the tree if you're smart.
     
  13. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, in the real world what is result of comprise between a virgin and a rapist. Rape?

    There is no moral principle that justifies America comprising with a Tyrant. To do so is to commit moral suicide. The result will be enslavement.
     
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    Well let's look at that. A virgin is taken prisoner by a guy saying let me rape you or I will slit your throat. She then must choose between lesser of two evils. Neither choice is good and that's the sad reality of her situation
     
  15. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First, America doesn't have a knife at its throat. Additionally, either course of action is immoral on the rapist's part; and while she may choose the lesser, she is doing so under duress, and with a silent oath to bring him to justice...and he's still an evil cretin. And lastly, whatever she chooses, it isn't a compromise, it's rape.

    My suggestion: Con him, then gauge his eyes out.
     
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  16. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ayn Rand:

    "There is no escape from the fact that men have to make choices; so long as men have to make choices, there is no escape from moral values; so long as moral values are at stake, no moral neutrality is possible. To abstain from condemning a torturer, is to become an accessory to the torture and murder of his victims."

    For America to sanction this murder of a journalist in a Saudi embassy is to sanction an attack on one of her fundamental principles: Freedom of the Press. And it's the sound of a death knell for America as a free nation.
    http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/moral_judgment.html
     
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    Yes jettison my boy, you nailed it... Just like Mr Price having swept the darn space cowboys, killed them right before the 7th...
    He the Astro tamuh fa sho !
     
  18. Starjet

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    18 rogue agents for no apparent reason got into a fist fight with Jamal Khashoggi and killed him.

    :roflol:
     
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    The man was killed and dismembered in the Saudi embassy in Turkey.

    Gonna be funny to see the Saudis explain that.
     
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    A saudi citizen was killed in turkey not the US

    Big deal
     
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    Huh, I thought Conservatives respected human life.

    Murdering someone in an embassy is a pretty terrible thing. The Saudi govt. must face some punishment for this.

    I suggest closing some of their consulates. Perhaps kicking them off some committes at the UN. Maybe ban them from the rotating Security Counsel seats for a few years.
     
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    Not just Dems, but Republicans too. Sen Graham went as far as demanding the removal of the prince.

    Trump is being careful, and the Saudis are beginning to realize just how much power they have over the US.
     
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    hmmm let's just review what the Saudis said so far.

    1) we have no idea.
    2) we did not do it
    3) he is dead but we have no idea and didn't do it.
    4) Okay we did it but in was a rogue agent.
    5) Okay it was not a rogue agent but a mistake during interrogation.
    6) Wait he died in a fight.

    What's next?
     
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    The over-emotional rogue agents who were there to assist Mr. Khashoggi with paperwork simply panicked. Luckily one of them was an expert in dismembering bodies and brought his bone saw.

    In hindsight, they admit it wasn't the best idea. They would love to extend their condolences with his fiance at the KSA embassy of her choosing. Just call a day in advance so we can prepare... flowers .
     
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    Why must we punish the Saudis?

    I cant think of any conservatives or liberals who want America to be the worlds policeman anymore

    Why not let turkey and SA work it out between them?
     

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