The stunning rise of costly obesity in America

6 hours a day is the minimum, actually. We should all be physically active for all of our waking hours. It's not normal to be otherwise.

 

6 hours of riding a bike a day minimum, why not just not eat so many carbs, that's a lot of effort just so you can eat more carbs

it's not normal to eat carbs the way most do today.. thus, the increase in obesity and diabetes - even little children getting fat cause of high carb baby formula and fruit juices

 

1: You are not qualified to speak for them.
2: If you pay taxes, you are forced to buy soda and beef for others.
3. Please do some research on fast food/ sugar addiction. I didn't make it up.
4: You got one right. Not bad!

 

1) It's very simple and very clear. If you want to eat more than you want to be thin, then you literally 'want' to be fat.
2) No .... THEY choose soda and beef. They could choose water, rice, and beans.
3) Sugar in quantities leading to very low grade 'addiction' are HUGE. Besides, such people are not sitting down to bowls of sugar .. they are eating gargantuan quantities of meat and dairy.
4) Four, actually

 

very few want to be fat, they just do not know how to eat healthy and people like you are confusing them, eating high carbs all day makes it very hard for people to lose weight as high insulin blocks fat burning

beef is not the problem, high carbs is the problem, that and cheap heavily processed seed oils

some foods are addictive as they affect the hormones differently

people on government programs like WIC do have to buy certain foods, all based on bad government guidelines

 

No, it's not normal to eat REFINED carbs, and then sit down all day. Let's call a spade a spade, here.

And yes, constant all day exercise is the baseline for the human animal's proper function.

 

no one is saying you should sit down all day, but you do not have to exercise 6 hours a day just so you can eat more carbs

 

Of course they know how not to be fat. Put down the meat, cheese, and soda, and get off your ****ing arse! Even an 8 year old knows this stuff. People stay fat because they don't want to give up their yummies, and because they're bone lazy. Pleading ignorance is a joke, FA.

 

You're not doing IN ORDER to eat carbs for crying out loud! You're doing it because that's how you retain good health well into old age. SURELY that matters, no?

 

no one I know would excersise that much, 30 min a day walking and weights a couple times a week is plenty for the average person... unless they are eating too many carbs

many runners tried what you are doing and now their joints and stuff are paying the price and they are getting diabetes as their insulin was too high for too many years

 

are you serious, you think meat is the problem.... not hardly

 

I'm not talking about running all day .. obviously. Sheesh.

We are designed to be on our feet for the majority of our waking hours, doing incidental exercise. IE, constant movement.

 

We're all better off without meat - especially red meat, and the planet in particular will thank us for giving up beef. If you must have animal proteins, far better to obtain it from fish. If you must have red meat (and no one really does), you shouldn't eat it more than about once a fortnight.

 

not true in the least, meat, fish and eggs are good for the body, even the saturated fat myth has been debunked

too many carbs are bad for the body,

keep the carbs low, the fat high (with good fats) and the protein moderate

even if Vegan that should be the goal, if your vegan, pea protein is a good source of protein

 

I'm not vegan, but I do eat a lot of vegan and vegetarian meals. We eat lentils, peas, beans, wheat gluten (very high in protein), fish, eggs, raw nuts, etc. We obtain our iron from daily leafy greens and the like. We also eat brown rice, wholemeal pasta, lots of root vegetables (beets, sweet potato, carrots, parsnips, etc), wholemeal breads, and whole grain cereals. Our fats are derived from olive oil, nuts, and fish.

 

One of the worst things for peoples health was the saturated fat scare, that caused all restaurants to change to trans fat in their fryers - bad news for those that been eating fried food the last 30 years

 

that doesn't sound as high carb as you were saying, unless you eat lots of bread, pasta, brown rice and cereals

the government recommends like 60% of your diet be carbs, I say that is way to high

I eat lots of low carb vegetables, leafy greens, cauliflower, broccoli, ect.. but keep them down too about 5%

sometimes if in a hurry I will have a meal in a glass like Garden of Life Meal Replacement Vanilla Chai Powder with some olive oil, butter and mct added in - the oil added to it makes it so much better and helps absorb the nutrients

 

POLITICS & BIG-MONEY

From here: Wikipedia - Campaign Finance in the US

The above in red is the culprit. When it comes to contributions, who has the deepest pockets? Corporations or Labor-organizations?

As for the lobbyists, yes, they should be regulated. The question remains "how". No ex-occupant of a seat in Congress should be allowed to "lobby" as a living. But, for that to work, any and all contributions by private enterprise should be forbidden.

Only voters should be allowed to finance their party (or parties) of choice and the funding limit clearly established. We must get BigMoney out of politics ... !

PS: And, frankly, it is the stoopidity of political commercials that is affecting campaigns. Americans watch more TV per-week than any other people. In fact, to avoid their impact some countries do not allow them at all on TV. TV-debates are OK, but commercializing political campaigns is not.

 

WARPED DEMOCRACY

No, that is not the solution. (Try it and see for yourself!)

The Rightists on this Debate Forum cannot see beyond their own needs/desires. They think the "poor deserve poverty".

In that manner, they are socially blind. Typically they come from small communities and not large-cities (where the poverty is patently obvious).

That means what. Those communities are isolated from the reality of day-to-day existence. And, frankly, that is why the Electoral College allows them a preferential vote*.

See here, from WashPo:

Well, as we all know, not everybody in every state votes. Nonetheless, it was the EC that elected Donald Dork into the White House and NOT THE POPULAR-VOTE!

We live in a Warped Democracy ...

PS: Moreover, if one reads the article, the author shows how the EC manipulates the popular-vote and in doing so any sense of Fair Democracy in the American presidential voting process (along with Gerrymandering that is employed in state-voting also for the same effect).

 

The government subsidizes farmers growing corn which is where the cheap corn syrup comes from and it is a major contributor to obesity for EVERYONE who eats and/or drinks both junk food and so called "low fat" food.

Big Pharma is HEAVILY SUBSIDIXED by the government when it comes to Patent Protections. It is those bogus patents that allows Big Pharma to charge EXTORTIONIST and GOUGING prices for their drugs.

Eliminate the corn subsidies and impose PRICE CAPS on drugs under Patent and that will go a long way towards solving both the obesity problem and the escalating costs of healthcare.

 

Why are you IGNORING the FACT that here in America the MAJORITY of the poor are working 2 and sometime 3 jobs just to make ends meet financially. That means that they LACK THE TIME NEEDED to purchase, prepare and cook healthy foods. When you can't AFFORD the LUXURY of TIME to eat healthily then it is cheaper to eat prepared junk foods. On top of that you are IGNORING the FACT that most of these minimum wage jobs are in the junk food industry to they probably get that food at a lower cost.

 

Wrong again with yet another bogus generalization!

For people with Gluten Allergies their bodies adapt to obtaining what they need from meat because they cannot consume carbs. Their cholesterol adapts too and they remain healthy even though they are consuming a "high fat" diet.

So yes, those people really DO need to have meat in their diets.

 

dave feldman has brought some new light into cholesterol that is changing the views on that one big time, seems this was another false flag like the low fat nonsense

"Dave Feldman - 'It's About Energy, Not Cholesterol'"



"Dave Feldman - 'New Data on Energy, Exercise, and Cholesterol'"

 

You might want to do some research before posting.

Major causes of obesity. From here:

Ie. Walk yer-fat-ass-off (if you have one) and if not walk anyway.

Obesity is a very modern-problem. It came along with the motor-car and TV ...

 

Yup, the myth that arose linking high fat diets with high cholesterol resulting in heart attacks was bad science IMO.

Worth noting that WHEN that came out in 1977 the rate of SMOKING had been consistent for 3 decades at around 40% of the population.



The bad science failed to take into consideration that long term smoking causes heart disease. Also worth noting that the nefarious Tobacco Cartel was trying to distract attention from the negative impact that long term smoking has on health like emphysema which can also cause heart attacks.

By blaming heart attacks on a "high fat diet" and ignoring the other causes they ended up with very bad science and a seriously negative impact on the nation's food and health.

Even today our understanding of cholesterol is still not complete. According to the "accepted science" I was put on Statins as a "preventative measure" because I have always had low HDL. After moving and finding a new GP she took me off them entirely and I am doing just fine. My exercise routine keeps my heart rate in the 60's and my BP under the accepted "norm" for my age all without using medications.

My own position is that we are NOT identical and we all have variances that fall outside the accepted ranges. We just need to find what works best for us as INDIVIDUALS and then stick with that and ignore the fads and other crap that is being used to "sell" us on "miracle" diets and other nonsense.

Just as an anecdotal example I love a good red wine but I will pay the price the next day even if I only consume just one or two glasses. My body feels dehydrated and my brain is foggy. If I drink Tequila I never have any of those effects even if I have 3 drinks. Obviously my body handles those two types of alcohol in different ways.