The sun appears to be heading for a Maunder minimum

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  1. Moi621

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    Well that's is a true deficiency of the image since it labels 2011 as Now! :roflol:
     
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    so your image is 6 years old.

    classic
     
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    The increased particles hitting the earth due to magnetic changes and solar flares from the sun are believed to cause more cloud formation. If that is the case, I am not sure why it wouldn't make the cooling effects even greater than previous due to the fact that less light will be absorbed by the earth and turned into long wave radiation which then is absorbed by CO2 assuming the recent warming is largely due to CO2.
     
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    I'm so glad you posted this. I get caught up in some conversations and forget to remind people we're in an interstadial in the middle of an Ice Age 3M years in the making. We're lucky if we hold back a stadial period. Much better to be a bit warm than in the stadial. This planet isn't going to support 6B people if the ice advances.
     
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    And since it goes back 4K years that matters because.......
     
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    6 year old charts are like those old scientists who reject global warming, OUTDATED.
     
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    It would reflect more energy away but the cloud cover would trap more heat and CO2. I'm not certain the effect but it appears to create more cooling. Ice reflects more energy than clouds but clouds do reflect. CO2 levels are high but they've been higher without this much cooling although I'm convinced gases are creating a lot of the problem. Between the onset of another stadial, cooling of the sun yada, and all the rest it is difficult to be as predictive as some think.....at least that's my non-climatologist opinion FWIW (not a lot).
     
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    There's plenty of data there that is good particularly the eruptions. The temps aren't changing either coming from cores. You're looking for excuses and failing. The data doesn't disprove your sacred cow anyway.
     
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    That was intended as mock/humor.
     
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    Whoosh! Right over my head!!! My bad.
     
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    Over here in the madhouse it's getting cooler already. For example it was cooler yesterday than it was 3 weeks ago.**

    ** winter drawers on? :sunnysideup: :toast:
     
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    Imagine food production when the glaciation happens.
     
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    primate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I try not, too. The suffering and dying is unimaginable.
     
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    "They" say YOU don't understand the difference between Climate and Weather.
    I say "Climate Change Happens. Just like the weather.".

    We just need to ignite a few volcanoes to cool us down or mimic what our Earth does,
    when times get too hot.
    Can we do it without nucs?

    I really like this chart because I like history. And the associations of temperature and recorded history are fascinating to me.
    And the association of volcanic activities and cool downs is also striking.
    I printed a copy for my refrigerator door and often take a moment to look at one area of the fine print.
    IceAges.gif
    When was the last time the Delaware River froze ala Washington crossing the Delaware?
    Or the canals of Amsterdam freezing enough for skating? Hans Brinker and the Silver Skates.
    Global Warming advocates, please chime in. Would you rather live in a period of glaciation?
    Ref.: "The Day After Tomorrow".


    Moi :oldman:

    r > g



    Canada-WhiteWalket.jpg
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
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    The US has been cooling for the whole time the new USCRN has been installed.
     
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    Par for the course with that one. I really believe he is going for the political forum post leader.
     
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    Third weakest solar minimum since 1755. It is expected to hit minimum around 2020. For whatever reason, the earth takes 10-15 years to respond to changes in solar activity. No one is sure why.

    One thing that is hypothesized and has now been proven in a science experiment is that lower activity allows more cosmic rays to penetrate the atmosphere and that cosmic rays influence the creation of clouds which increase albedo causing cooling.

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    but the planet is getting warmer.

    too bad we dont live on our own planet
     
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    do you have anything to add to the discussion?
     
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    It's a good chart and nice reminder. Thanks for posting.
     
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    I've seen evidence no date that questions the fact that this Earth is indeed getting warmer.
     
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    I live on the real one. You live on the one that is created with models. Tsk.
     
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    I thought I did add something to the discussion, I just wasn't talking to you.
     

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