The Texas shooting shows the futility of arming teachers

Besides...

 

@Phyxius you "liked" this post. Care to post that rule #16 here?

 

I take it strapped is a word for armed.
What happens if a teacher is good at the actual teaching but lousy at shooting?
In your cinematic imagination you have gunfights between teachers and shooters whilst children cower in fright?
I reckon you could add loads of detail about training, types of weapons, body armour, emergency procedures.
Maybe you could set up a business to enable the teaching regiment to learn how to kill, and profit from it?

Oh say can you see
By the dawn’s early light
The heavily armed
The children in fright?

If America is the home of the brave, then be brave enough to do what it takes to ban the guns so the children can be in a land of freedom from massacre.

There will be another massacre along shortly.

 

Care to man up and make a point? Or is this your hill today, General Pickett?

 

I simply asked you for evidence.

Since you're such a stickler for fake post it's rather ironic that you would like this one.... actually no it's not ironic..... Not one little bit.



Anyhow the entire Op was based on BS as we have seen as the truth comes out. Suddenly you don't care about rule 16 anymore

 

And I simply reposted a link ALREADY POSTED IN THE THREAD. Your failure to catch that and draw the stunningly obvious conclusion - that the OP was, is, and remains laughable bullshit - is entirely on you. Own it and do better.

 

How many of those teachers were just murdered because they had to use their bodies as human shields?

Yeah I would take that bet. Any day of the week.

 

And yet you " liked " the post....lol

 

And? You're still incoherent...

 

Do you have anything to offer but your typical foolishness?

As far as your poor excuse of a post goes. .. you should go and find the nearest mirror

 

Physician, heal thyself...

 

Correct.

Though I didn't tell him to do anything.

 

Do Armed Guards Prevent School Shootings?

We don’t have any rigorous causal evidence that says armed guards reduce school shootings or school violence,” said Matthew Mayer, a professor at Rutgers University who studies violence in educational settings.

And in any case, active shooter incidents make up a very small part of overall gun violence: Despite the prominent media coverage of mass shootings, and school shootings in particular, only about 1 percent of all firearm fatalities each year occur during such incidents. Last year there were 24 shootings causing injury or death in K-12 schools throughout the entire country, whereas there are more than 100,000 K-12 schools. Meanwhile, the choice to put people with guns in schools comes with costs that are mostly borne by students.
https://www.thetrace.org/2019/04/guns-armed-guards-school-shootings/

Let's try to keep the discussions evidence based. The suggestions coming from gun rights advocates regarding "hardening schools" are meant to deflect from the larger issue of gun control.

 

Yet in countries with mad people and limited guns we don't get anywhere near as many mass murders.

 

I did not claim that guns are safe. They are weapons- and they can be used to kill. But that is not something the gun decides to do. It is a person who kills and a person using a weapon to do so. Guns are only a more convenient weapon than most others in that the killer does not have to personally engage as would be the case with a knife. If a person is beaten to death- fists and fet have become weapons... yet are still weapons in the hands of a killer. Do you have fists and feet? Then you carry weapons, and they too can be deadly IF you choose to use them for that purpose.

I have guns as minimal as an air rifle, as large as a .50 cal BMG. I target shoot at 1,000 yards with a custom Creedmoor, shoot clay pigeons with a 12 and 20 gauge. Yet I've never used these weapons to kill anything other than game birds and varmints. I've been shooting all my life.

Now- can you do any of those things with an atomic bomb? That's why you can't have one. It's a ludicrous argument, trying to equate these two classes of things to imply they are somehow equivalent.
You will have to do a lot better than that.

And you are wrong about "sanity". We do take steps to vet any person buying a gun, and that includes mental capacity. But the people who are killers with guns aren't buying guns, they usually steal them. What's more- we fail to prosecute that; we treat the theft of a gun the same as the theft of a pair of nike shoes. Further, these people who become school shooters don't just wake up one day and decide to do that crime- there are big red behavioral flags that are ignored over and over. The Parkland shooting even had people notifying the sheriff and the FBI that the kid planned to do this- but the authorities didn't take it seriously enough to look into it.

In this morning's news, a man whose daughter was killed at parkland stated in an interview:
"They didn’t learn anything from what happened in Texas at that school shooting, they didn’t learn anything from what happened in Parkland at that shooting, they didn’t learn anything from what happened at Sandy Hook," Pollack explained. "When you focus on just gun control this is what happens. It’s happened again."

And you are wrong too about shooters being gun nuts. Most serious gun owners feel as I do- that the use of a gun in a crime should vastly increase the penalty; that any theft of a gun should automatically be an actively investigated felony rather than petty theft, and that intentional murders with a firearm should carry a death penalty. But the same people ranting about controlling guns reject the ideas of stronger penalties for criminals that use guns; often for all criminals. We are for greater and more timely consequences, because we know that is what works. But the consequences should fall on the offenders, not the general public- and that is what you don't realize will not work.

People who don't understand all the elements of an issue argue on a fraction of the elements, and always botch the conclusion.
The underlying problem is people- and not all people. Attached to that are the social elements that cause some people to feel driven to that level of hostility.
When you can see that, you will be in a position to address the real problem.

 

Yes, in many countries where guns are limited, the murders are done by the dictators and never reported.
However it's mostly the governance that is "mad", not the people.

 

I’m glad you thought of banning things! Remember that time we banned drugs and weapons and phones from a really easy lace to secure, like a prison, and it worked great? All the drugs and weapons and phones were gone and everyone held hands and was safe.

remember?

 

I don’t need to remember anything. Simply observe what happens in civilised countries.

 

SO you've observed that the prisons, the most secure locations in the US with guards on every corner, can't keep drugs and weapons and phones out of the hands of prisoners.

But banning things somehow works?

 

The Texas shooting shows the futility of arming teachers.

At least it showed that schools that do not do any of the recommended things designed to reduce school shootings, can wish they did. The door was unlocked. There was no armed security guard. The police outside the school didn't enter the building for 40 minutes while they awaited the SWAT people and while the victim children bled out. Since we refuse to understand that the school shooters are all young people with troubled histories and we are unwilling to do anything about it, at least we should do some of the things designed to protect schools from shooters. We continue to blame inanimate objects instead of the shooters and the unwillingness to locate them and remove them from society before they can do something like this. Stop the narrow mindedness. Do something about the potential shooters. Keeping guns from law abiding citizens is a waste of time and energy. It helps nothing at all.

 

So any semi auto weapon that looks like a military weapon is an assault rifle?

 

Mass shooters are sociopaths and they can't stop shooting until they run out of ammo or are put down. Since we don't have a cure for sociopathy we need to find these people before they engage in mass shootings and prevent them from doing it. The day after the Uvalde shooting, two additional school shootings in Texas were averted by doing just that. Let's stop whining about guns and start doing something that will help.

 

There are semi automatic rifles in hunting calibers that look like hunting rifles and they are more powerful than the AR-15. I have a .223 chambered bolt action rifle for dealing with varmints on the farm. It uses exactly the same ammunition as an AR-15. It looksl nothing like military weapon because it isn't. Worrying about what kind of gun was used is senseless. We need to take potential school shooters out of society until they age enough to get past their desire to shoot up schools. All the school shooters are youngsters with a trouble history. They aren't that hard to find. Find them.

 

Agreed

 

Not to get off into the weeds… been around guns all my life…. not a gun expert by no means…
Close quarter situations, is the gun of choice not a shotgun will OO buckshot… just my little pea brain thinking…