The Trump/Putin Alliance

Some excellent counter arguments would do nicely. When someone cracks jokes about a serious matter, uses ludicrous labeling like TDS, or criticizes the messenger instead of the message, they get exactly the treatment they deserve.

"Why should anyone bother" is a pathetic excuse by someone who can't question the statements they don't like because they are reality.

 

Did you forget what you said? You said hoax was about collusion. I showed it was about Russian intervention, and you agreed.

Correcting your understanding of the issues is becoming a career.

 

Fail on your part you quoted the wrong part of the paragraph. There were two sentence one about Russian interference the other dealt with the collusion crap....

 

Now you are trying to waste my time. Bye.

 

You were wrong and can't deal with it...See ya next time...

 

I just don't understand why, at this point, these threads aren't moved to the "Conspiracy Theories" forum.

 

It was a photo op not a question an answer session. Obama engaged in far worse actions under similar circumstances. And the rest of the flock of hens supported Obama.

For the most part we don't ave a free press we have a bunch of chickens clucking and crapping on everything and its been that way for decades.

Please note lost in that dung pile was that some one else already had the exclusive rights when that conversation took place. So any payment to McDougal occurred before the meeting.

 

Again the big hoax is the collusion narrative. It was meant to be there opportunity to over turn what happened at the ballot box if need be.

 

Well, to answer your question, take a look at an actual article, an article you ignored. Please show which part of this article involves a conspiracy theory. Can you support what you say?

Trump often puts his subordinates in very difficult positions.

Trump requested and received a two hour secret meeting with Putin. Since only the Russians have a record of the meeting, many in Congress and elsewhere are very concerned. SecState Mike Pompeo was grilled about this in a recent public hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Pompeo did his best to cover it up, but it was readily apparent Trump did not trust his SecState enough to tell what had transpired during that meeting. His boss had put Pompeo in a very difficult position and he lost his temper and his patience often.

Trump's tariffs started a trade war, and the farmers are being hurt, badly. Trump told farmers Wednesday, “And the farmers will be the biggest beneficiary. Watch. We’re opening up markets. You watch what’s going to happen. Just be a little patient.” Since Trump hasn't signed a trade deal yet in the 18 months he has been President, Trump seems to be asking a lot. In the meantime, Trump is suggesting a $12B bailout for farmers, only Secretary Steven Mnuchin does not like the word "bailout."

REPORTER: "Mr. Secretary, a lot of people are confused because you're bailing out some farmers from your own policies."
MNUCHIN: "We're not bailing out any farmers. That's --"
REPORTER: "Twelve billion dollars is not a bailout?"
MNUCHIN: "-- that's a ridiculous comment. This is not a bailout. What we're doing here is --"
REPORTER: "What is it, if it's not a bailout?" [crosstalk]
MNUCHIN: "To the extent that other countries unfairly and illegally target our farmers we will stand up and fight for them. This is not a bailout, this is reciprocal -- again, we want free and fair reciprocal trade, and that's what we're fighting for.

Clearly, that is a distinction without a difference. Trump put his treasury secretary in a very difficult position. He wants "free and fair reciprocal trade" through the use of tariffs? That is an oxymoron only Trump could come up with.

Trump didn't like the questions the pool reporter, CNN reporter Kaitlan Collins, asked earlier. He kicked her out of the Rose Garden news conference that followed. White House communications official Bill Shine pushed back on reports that he "banned" Collins from a Rose Garden event, calling on reporters to ask her if the word "ban" was ever used.

"You ask her if we ever used the word 'ban,'" Shine said to reporters outside the White House early Thursday.

Shine was asked what word he used instead, but did not answer directly.

"When you ask her if we ever use the word 'ban,' then I will answer that," he said, and that was his final word on the subject.

Once again, Trump placed his subordinate in very difficult position. Following on the heals of Trump's statement that the free press was the real enemy of the people, barring the pool reporter may have been Shine's worst nightmare. "Ban," "bar," "kicked out," and "disinvite" all mean the same thing. Again, a distinction without a difference.

In defending Trump, his supporters, as in the case of Mnuchin and Shine, are often forced to use only semantics because Trump's actions are so deplorable.

 

There is nothing in what I said that involves the "collusion narrative." There is nothing in what I said that involves the ballot box. You are replying to my post, but ignoring what I said in the post.

 

^^^^^^The only feeble way a birther-in-chief Trump fan can ever respond when someone posts the truth about the traitor. I have yet to see any of his fans man-up and admit that they admire white Christian anti-gay, anti-democratic authoritarian daddy figure wannabe dictators. Thankfully most American now see thru this vile bull-****.

 

Not another TDS post.

 

I reviewed what Trump said then reviewed what you said. Here is the problem. You are confused because Trump is confused. What he said can be broken down into four parts. Never mind what he said about Hillary. Hillary is an obsession with him, and what he said was not important.

"So President Obama knew about Russia before the Election." Trump is talking about Russian interference in our election.

"Why didn't he do something about it?" Again, he is talking about Russian interference.

"Why didn't he tell our campaign?" About the Russian interference.

"Because it is all a big hoax." All of sudden it now becomes the collusion issue because Trump conflates the two, Russian interference and the collusion factor. This confused you because Trump is confused.

 

Don't hold back. Tell it like it is.

 

In that setting Trump often answers questions from the pool reporter. Face it, he didn't like the question. He refused to answer, then kicked her out of the news conference that followed.

We won't have a free press if Trump has his way. He regards the free press as the "real enemy of the people." "The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"

Your "bunch of chickens" is, perhaps, correct metaphor, but why? Presidents before him periodically held regular press conferences, the kind Sanders does every week. Not this President. He wishes to operate in secret. Reporters are forced to yell questions across the White House lawn to the tune of Marine One's chopper blades. Occasionally, he will open things up for questioning, but it is haphazard, because he wants that way. He will refuse to answer a question he doesn't like, and, if the atmosphere is getting hostile because he won't answer a question, he thanks everyone and ends the news conference.

So, yeah, sometimes the reporters act like a "bunch of chickens" because they resent his attacks on the press and they abhor a secret Presidency.

 

You know that I am right. These folks know that Trump is a crooked POS but as long as he is racist enough and sucks up to a murderous white Christian anti-gay dictator like Putin all is well in Birtherville. Democracy and The Constitution holds no value for them because the only part of it that they concern themselves with is the 2nd amendment which they have twisted and distorted to fit a scaredy-cat hide under the bed the boogeyman is coming ideology. One cannot respect democracy or The Constitution and still support a cowardly traitor such as Cadet Comrade Spanky Bone Spurs, aka...Trumplethinskin.

 

Yes, I know you are right. I was trying to be funny. Unfortunately, you couldn't see the smile on my face.

 

I understood, but I was just taking the opportunity to drive the point even further home.

 

It is one thing to report news it is another thing to play gotcha, and ask questions that have nothing to do with the topic of the event or ask insulting questions that you know going in aren't going to be answer and probably can't be or have already been addressed. The press wears it's self imposed shackles as though they were a mark of honor instead of a badge of shame.

Things are opened up at the president's s discretion not the reporters, Ms. Sanders is the press secretary you get the official administration response from her. If that's not good enough for you you might want to consider asking real questions, and state insults disquised as questions.

 

Oh, good. We are on the same page.

 

As each day goes by it is becoming more and more clear that there were no agreements made during the missing two hours of negotiations at Trump's request. They may have been discussed, but did not come up with any agreements on Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, Iran, or Russian interference in our elections. Even if Trump made some ludicrous concessions like he did at Singapore, they are invalid because the American government has no record of the concessions.

Yet, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, a master of diplomatic verbosity and sardonic barbs, summed up the results of the Helsinki summit in just three exuberant words: "better than super." So, what was discussed at this secret meeting Trump requested?

Logic, but no hard evidence, dictates they discussed the means by which Putin is able to extort the President of the United States. This, perhaps, involves money laundering, connections to the Russian mafia, and the ease with which the Trump Organization was able to borrow money from Russian sources. Trump may have wanted to know what was expected of him and/or how long the extortion would last.

For more on this see https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episo...are-his-biggest-legal-vulnerability-1.4646401

It would appear that Putin told Trump to toe to the party line. First, he had to reject American intelligence and accept Putin's word that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election. That is exactly what Trump did at the news conference with Putin.

Next, he had to blame his own country for the strained relations between the U.S. and Russia. Trump did exactly that at the news conference.

That is why Lavrov said the Helsinki summit went "better than super."

 

The Russians laid it on a little thick in the initial email that started it all for two reasons. One, this was a test. They wanted to see if the highest levels of the Trump campaign would collaborate with the Russian government and the elaboration would be the ultimate test. Two, Russians don't know how to be subtle.

Here is Goldstone's initial email.

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

"Crown prosecutor of Russia" is pure B.S. only a Trump would believe, but notice they made it perfectly clear this assistance to Trump was coming from the highest levels of the Russian government. Junior said he loved it, and he, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home, one story down from Trump's residence. Trump's campaign bit on the succulent bait. The Russians found out what they needed to know and the purpose of the meeting was served when the three walked through the door.

We know there have multiple lies about this meeting from Trump and Junior. We know Trump promised his audience some revealing information about Hillary Clinton two days before the meeting. We know Trump drafted a statement saying that the meeting concerned the adoption of babies. We know, facing a friendly television audience, Junior equivocated when asked if his father knew about the meeting beforehand.

Now we are asked to believe that the control freak, Donald Trump, knew nothing about this meeting at his home between the highest ranking members of his campaign team -- two of them close members of his family -- and representatives of the Russian government.

Does that seem credible to anyone? Anyone answering yes would have to be a fawning fan who simply can't face reality.

 

There once was a President who had lost his mind. His comments were strange, almost other worldly, and did not square with current political and national security conditions. The White House was forced to cover for him and his press secretary would often say, "The President all along has said ...," when, in fact, the President has said no such thing.

The President's national security team tried to carry on. Recently, they recognized a threat to our democracy, continued Russian interference in our elections. "We acknowledge the threat. It is real. It is continuing," the DNI said. Our "democracy itself is in the cross-hairs," the DHS secretary said.

That very evening the bewildered President said, "In Helsinki, I had a great meeting with (Russian President Vladimir) Putin. We got along really well," he said. "By the way, that’s a good thing, not a bad thing. Now, we’re being hindered by the Russian hoax — it’s a hoax, ok?" He not only debunked the threat to American democracy, he chose to brag about his enduring friendship with the communist dictator.

The President's national security team is greatly concerned about Russia's cyber warfare capabilities.

The President is not the least bit concerned about Russia's cyber warfare capabilities. He has not designated a White House cyber-coordinator position. The President's friend, Vladimir Putin, is pleased with this decision. It would appear the press conference Thursday featuring the President's national security team was just for show. In the President's fantasy world, the threat does not exist.

"I’ll tell you what, Russia is very unhappy I won, that I can tell you," the spaced-out President said. When Russian President Vladimir Putin was asked if he wanted the President to win the US election, Putin responded, "Yes, I did."

Despite Russia's invasion of Ukraine, illegal annexation of Crimea, support for the murderous Syrian dictator, support for the Iranian regime, and interference in our elections, the confused President said, "Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity."

 

Lol. This is a dooozy.