The truth about Israel's secret nuclear arsenal

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  1. happy fun dude

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    I never disputed anything about 19k centrifuges. I'm skeptical about the part that cites weapons grade enrichment occurring. Can you quote any passage from there which references any enrichment beyond 20% ? Anything even close to weapons grade, which is 80-90% ?
     
  2. AboveAlpha

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    Well....THAT is the whole point of having 19,000 centrifuges!!!!

    You sure as HELL would not need 19,000 of them to enrich to a bit beyond 20% LOL!!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Exactly, you dont build a drug lab for self consumption....
     
  4. snakestretcher

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    If, in fact, there are these "19,000" centrifuges. Frankly there's so much negative propaganda flying around about Iran that anyone would be forgiven for being a little sceptical about these numbers. You can number me among those sceptics.
    Remember how America came close to convincing the world about Saddam's alleged WMD stash? That was also a pack of lies.
     
  5. pessimist

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    Maybe it is Iran which creates "so much negative propaganda"?

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/02/02/348959/iran-ndeal-should-be-based-on-trust/

    Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif made the remarks at a panel discussion in the presence of International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director General Yukiya Amano and other officials at the 50th Munich Security Conference
    When sanctions were first imposed only 200 centrifuges were working, but now Iran has 19,000 centrifuges, he said.
     
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    Amano also said: "Tehran is fulfilling its commitments within the framework of the Geneva agreement."
     
  7. truth and justice

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    How many would you need then? How many, for example, do france have for their nuclear enrichment for energy purposes?
     
  8. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    You need thousands linked together to create a cascade in order to enrich Uranium for any purpose-could be a bomb or a reactor.
    http://science.howstuffworks.com/uranium-centrifuge.htm
     
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    Highly enriched Uranium is used both in reactors and medical isotopes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium#Highly_enriched_uranium_.28HEU.29
     
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  11. AboveAlpha

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    Snake....I am leaving and will be gone in no latter than about 24 hours....so I may not post for you or any other member for a while and GOD FORBID....you may NEVER again read a post from me....so I am just going to tell you what I know about the Iran issue and most of this you can go to the U.N.'s IAEA....International Atomic Energy Agency website and read about this as it is well documented information and you DON'T have to take my word for what I am about to tell you.

    As I have stated many times I have HIGH HOPES for the General Population of Iran which compared to other countries of the same number of people....Iran has the highest population of youth's....over 70% of ALL IRANIAN'S ARE ONLY 30 TEARS OLD OR YOUNGER!!!!

    Of the ENTIRE Iranian Population 96% WANT CLOSE RELATIONS WITH THE UNITED STATES.

    98.7% of THE ENTIRE IRANIAN POPULATION WANTS WESTERN OR AMERICAN STYLE CONSTITUTIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREE ELECTIONS.

    Current elections in Iran are a JOKE as the Islamic Religious Leadership not only determines WHO get's to run for President but even determines who will win and lose.

    Now....IT WOULD BE A HUGE MISTAKE for the United States to attack Iran as Iran in a few years very well could be run by their very young Freedom and Democracy Loving Majority Population what WANT'S CLOSE TIES TO THE UNITED STATES!!!!!

    But this is the problem.....the current Old Islamic Religious Guard which is backed by the Hardcore Religious Fanatical Republican Guard and the Iranian Qud's Force Division....the Qud's Force is responsible for spreading the Iranian Islamic Revolution to other countries in the Region and around the world and THEY ARE MURDEROUS FANATICS.....and I and my Team have run into them on several occasions as they have a down down Damascus STORE FRONT OFFICE.

    The PROBLEM IS....we KNOW...not guess or think....BUT KNOW....Iran currently has enough Weapons Grade Fuel to build perhaps 3 to 6 old style circa 1945 Fission Bombs with even less explosive yield then those that were dropped in Japan.

    The Iranian Nukes could probably equal 4 to 7 Kilotons in yield....IF....IF....they even go off.

    These Iranian Nukes have NOT BEEN ASSEMBLED....as Iran KNOW'S....should something happen such as a U.S. Invasion or an Israeli Air Attack....not only is it SAFER for such Nuclear Weapons not be fully assembled but from the perspective of a allowed Surprise IAEA Inspection....the Iranian's don't want all parts that make up such Nukes to be in the same place together.

    Now here is another thing....the Iranian's HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO POSSIBLE DELIVERY SYSTEM outside putting one of these Low in Explosive Yield....Massive in Size....Nuclear Bombs on a TRUCK...and drive them to a target.

    As U.S. Space Command and other U.S. Military Satellite Radiation Detection Capabilities are UNPARALLELED...as well we fly Recon Aircraft directly over Iran ALL THE TIME with all sorts of sensors including Radiation Sensors....and some of our Satellites use Ground and Sea Penetrating Radar and Mass Spectrometers which together allow us to know EXACTLY what is underground or undersea...how deep....and with IR-Sensors and Microwave Detailing Beaming.....can tell what an Iranian Scientist is doing...how they are moving...what they are saying....and even can tell whether they are wearing a COTTON OR POLYESTER OR COMBINATION WEAVE LAB COAT A HUNDRED OR MORE FEET UNDER GROUND.

    So....it is IMPOSSIBLE....for Iran to put together a Nuke and MOVE IT ANYWHERE....without us knowing about it...even if the freakin' thing is completely shielded in Lead...but I WILL NOT get into explaining how that works.

    Now...Iran has broken so many parts of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty it is ridiculous and YOU don't have to take my word for it just look it up.

    Now...the absolutely BEST CASE SCENARIO as far as the United States is concerned just happened regarding Iran.

    Israel was screaming for us to attack by the U.S. Military and specifically U.S. CENTCOM is aware that the vast number of Iranian People are simply prisoners of their own system and we have been for YEARS having SECRET TALKS with the Leadership of both the Iranian Navy and Iranian Air Force.

    The members of the Top Leadership of both the Iranian Navy and Iranian Air Force are very much aware if they were to be ordered to do something VERY STUPID...such as create a Iranian Naval Blockade of the Straight of Hormuz or if the Iranian Air Force was ordered to attack the inevitable advance of the USN. 5th Fleet in Bahrain which would be sent to destroy any Iranian Naval attempt to close the Straight of Hormuz.....which is a choke point where the Oil Tankers and LNG Tankers must pass through to exit eventually the Persian Gulf and supply the World with much needed energy.....the Iranian Naval and Air Force Leadership know it would be THEY that would be doing the DYING trying to obey such INSANE ORDERS given to them by the Iranian Old Religious Guard.

    So...since WE know the members of both the Iranian Navy and Air Force Leadership are relatively intelligent men and not like the Highly Fanatical Religious Members of the Republican Guard Leadership....we have been talking to them and they understand and agree any attempt to close the Straight of Hormuz or Air Force attempt to attack a U.S. Carrier Group or other ships of the USN's 5th Fleet WOULD BE SUICIDE!!!

    So even though we are HOPING this agreement made between the U.S. and Iran will be honored by Iran....we also know WE MUST BE FULLY READY to completely remove ALL of Iranian Nuclear Capability in a manner that will result in the least amount of Civilian Deaths and as such a U.S. Military Invasion would result in the removal of the Iranian Old Religious Guard....the U.S. Military does NOT want to destroy the entire Iranian Navy and Air Force doing it as the Iranian Navy and Ir Force will be needed later to protect a Free and Democratic Iran.

    Now...with any luck no such U.S. Invasion will ever happen and within 5 to 10 years the Iranian Democracy Movement will take power in Iran and will negotiate the removal of their Nuclear Weapons program in return for U.S. Aid and a U.S. Mutual Defense Treaty between Iran and the United States.

    But...let's say some old Iman or Ayatollah see's the writing on the wall and attempts to order the Iranian Navy and Air Force to block the Strait of Hormuz and attack the oncoming U.S. 5th Fleet including a U.S. Nuclear Carrier Group.

    It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that either the Iranian Naval or Air Force Leadership would obey such a command. And here is the reason....not just the fact they would have ZERO CHANCE against such a USN. Carrier Battle Group or the certain to be flying massive numbers of USAF Aircraft.....but these Iranian Military Leaders KNOW....to attack would not simply be suicide and a waste of young men and equipment....but that THE VAST NUMBER OF RATIONAL YOUNG IRANIAN'S who will become the future Government of Iran NEED THEM TO LIVE!!!!

    If by some act of complete LUNACY....some Ayatollah orders a Iranian circa 1945 Fission Bomb to be assembled as we know they could do this now....and this HUGE in size low in yield Nuclear Fission Bomb was placed on a Truck....the United States Military would have to carry out a full scale Military Attack.

    We would for the FIRST TIME IN WARFARE.....use Non-Nuclear EMP....Electromagnet Pulse Devices carrier to targets and dropped by F/A-22 Raptors...two small EMP's can fit inside the internal bomb bays of an F/A-22....and B-2 Spirit Bombers would carry larger EMP's which would SPECIFICALLY TARGET RADICAL ELEMENTS OF THE IRANIAN REPUBLICAN GUARD DIVISIONS.

    Now the U.S. Air Force along with U.S. Navy Carrier Aircraft are fully capable of using ACTUAL EXPLOSIVE BOMBS to destroy the entire Iranian Military at will...but this would serve no purpose.

    We can come in with Stealth Attack and Bomber Aircraft dropping Non-Nuclear EMP's and completely render all Iranian Ground Forces and their vehicles, tanks, trucks, weapon systems and anything that is electronic or uses a chip.....USELESS AND INERT.

    The U.S. at that point would drop in Ten's of Thousand's of Special Forces, Rangers and Airborne Units to surround and seize all Iranian Nuclear Sites...and we KNOW where they all are.

    The Iranian Navy and Iranian Air Force as well as the vast number of other Non-Iranian Republican Guard units would make a joint public statement to the Nation of Iran that within 12 to 22 Months National Elections would be held depending upon situations on the ground and that this massive American Troop invasion was done IN CONCERT AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH MEMBERS AND LEADERS OF THE IRANIAN MILITARY FORCES.

    At this point they would attempt to reason with the now WEAPONLESS members of the Iranian Republican Guard Divisions and tell them and tell the Iranian People that what happened was necessary to prevent the actions of a few
    Iranian Religious Extremists who ordered their Military to perform acts of SUICIDE....as to obey such orders meant the destruction of the entire Iranian Navy, Air Force and Army and because the Iranian Military Leadership considered such orders AS INSANE....they decided to communicate their concerns to the United States in the hopes of preventing a massive U.S. Military Strike that could have resulted in the deaths of Millions.

    The EMP use would be talked about in depth as well as American Promises to help get all vital systems back on line as soon as possible.

    The ONLY problem....would be if the Members of the now basically weaponless Republican Guard decided to attempt a resistance movement most likely being supplied weapons from the Shiite Iraqi sector.

    Anyways....as far as WE are concerned...this Iranian/U.S. agreement is the absolutely BEST THING that could have happened.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    How can we trust a close ally who won't come clean about their longstanding nuclear arsenal and then expect Iran and other Muslim countries who don't like us to confess their nuclear ambitions? This is beyond hypocrisy - it is stupidity. We should just OUT Israel so they'll know we won't put up with this kind of behavior any more.
     
  13. AboveAlpha

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    Do you ACTUALLY BELIEVE...that we don't know EXACTLY what Israel has for Nuclear Weapons?

    We know EVERYTHING....numbers, types, yields, delivery systems, locations...etc.

    Where do you think Israel got it's initial Weapons Grade Nuclear Fuel from?

    AboveAlpha
     
  14. 4thBattalion

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    Probably from us Canada, like we provided the USA, INDIA, PAKISTAN, UK and France... We didn't give any to Russia, but we passed on how to make their own...
     
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    The idea that the U.S. does not know what Israel has for Nukes is ridiculous.

    Who even assumed that we did not know?

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The same that post year after year that a foreign sub as bypassed all defensive mesures and surfaced in the middle of a US task force... I'm up to about 6 version of it now, each time with adifferent coutry's sub...

    It never ever occured to those poster that those sub were detected, probably days or week before their "exploit" and tracked...
     
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    Yeah! That is one of my favorite idiocy claims here on the forum.

    Here we have a Multi-Billion Dollar U.S. Carrier Group with every kind of computerized networked detection system known to man and all of a sudden they are SURPRISED by a Chinese sub....right at the same time they are telling Japan that Kitty Hawk is too old and could present a weakness in the USN's ability to protect Japan?

    LOL!!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I'm sure those in the government who need to know have an accurate understanding of Israel's program and are even working in concert with it to maximize our own .. and theirs as our enemies seem to be the same.

    When breaking UNSC Chapter Seven Resolutions it's black and white. Israel has not done this.

    What behavior? That you are not in the loop or that they are legal and Iran is not?
     
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    Do you have a source for this?
     
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    Natural Uranium is 99.3% non-fissile U-238 and 0.7% U-235. You might have supplied the raw Uranium, but certainly not Highly Enriched (ie 'Weapons Grade')
    Uranium.
     
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    We've been involve in nuclear material from the start. Canada became a nuclear weapons free zone only since the 70's and even then there is still a bit of controversy about that because many of our armed forces system includes a nuclear option.

    There is also a theory that the Rosenberg may have been innocent and that the russian may have got their info from a canadian centrifuge technician, but for defense and political reason it was more convenient to condemn a couple of jews than lose your allies who is task to monitor and defend you northern border.
     
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    Developing nuclear weapons is not legal under the terms of the UN (apart from Russia, China, UK, France and the USA, who were grandfathered) and holding nuclear weapons without declaring them is not legal under UN law.
    Pakistan, India, South Africa and Israel are thus all guilty of the first, but Israel is unique in that it fails to confirm that it does in fact have nuclear weapons.

    If the Israelis decided to expel all 3 million non-Israeli Palestineans from the West Bank and Jerusalem and we objected strenuously, wouldn't their possession of nuclear weapons make them a potential national security threat? An ally today could become estranged tomorrow and an enemy the day after tomorrow (figuratively speaking). Just why should Israel be allowed to blatantly lie to the citizens of the USA?
     
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    No, members of the government, military and intelligence services THINK they know this. There are two things wrong with this scenario; the voting public doesn't know this and it should, and the Israelis could have some nuclear weapons we don't know about (their deal with the South Africans back in the apartheid days was pretty murky even to offical American sources).
     
  25. AboveAlpha

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    The very first Weapons Grade Fuel given to Israel came from the DOE's Oak Ridge National Laboratories.

    There is NOTHING we do not know about the Israeli Nuclear Weapons program....NOTHING.

    AboveAlpha
     

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