The Truth is Dawning on Trumpian insurrectionists

No, I absolutely DO know.

Trump, Giuliani, Cruz, Hawley and others have made NUMEROUS claims of fraud and have had absolutely no evidence of anything that had any remote possibility of reversing even one election throughout the USA.

No, Trump said he loved them. And, they absoltely are domestic terrorists.

 

This claim is at odds with their actions. They're working feverishly to try to prevent him from running again, using legal gotchas to make sure he can't run again. Why would they do that if they were confident it would be a boon for their party?

 

Thanks for the discussion

 

That is (strictly) your opinion.

I have a different opinion.

I happen to think that many (if not most) of the GOP will do everything (within their power) to prevent a Trump Nomination in 2024.

It would lead to a certain catastrophic defeat (up and down the ballot).

2024 is a long way off.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree

 

This is not just a matter of opinions. The facts are that the dems are working feverishly to try to prevent President Trump from running again. Why would they be doing this if they sincerely believed he was certain to lose and would a boon to their electoral prospects in doing so? If they were rational, they wouldn't. For example, if dems were gearing up to nominate Hillary again, I wouldn't lift a finger to try to stop them.

 

This is the reality of the trump cult.

 

Do you really believe that?

Are you aware of the twitter/parler universe of far right wing fascist,nationalists,flat out racists and insane Qanon'ers, coordinating and planning and passing around capitol maps for WEEKS. You most definitely are aware of the weeks of the BIG LIE and trumps classless refusal to acknowledge he's the biggest loser in presidential history.

Its obvious that some how phrases like "trial by combat" , "you gotta fight", " you gotta be strong to save the country", "take names and kick ass", etc ad nauseum, means something entirely different to the trump mind that to every other.

And I totally agree that at calling a riot and insurrection he's really bad at it, just like he is really bad at being president and a human being.

 

Of course. its your modus operandi. I realize its a necessity when intellectually challenged on your version of reality.

OTOH, I say "hey, man whatever you need to get thru the day that doesn't hurt others - more power to you."

 

Seems reasonable enough to me after the events on Wednesday.
Plus you missed this part of my quote,

 

Because he is so divisive and a threat to peaceful democracy, not because they think he would win. You'd have to be a special class of deluded to think he could win again after the last couple of months.
He would just split the party, too many Republicans have abandoned him now.

 

Go ahead.... the challenge is open for all your Leftists that believe in the MSM, Big Tech, and the Establishment Authoritarians.... Go ahead...

New Leftist Challenge 2021: Share with us a quote from Trump calling for violence at the Capitol.

 

Literal interpretation is not just a feature of religious orthodoxy its seems. Its a regular feature of trumpian political defense.

 

You have a problem taking someone at their specific word? Seriously? You think you get to infer their meanings and we have to accept your interpretation when he was incredibly clear? Do you hear yourself?

I am a writer in my spare time. I have a Science Fiction Trilogy that nets me some decent $ each year... and no I won't share it here.

 

I listened again to Trump addressing his terrorists. Specifically he said we are going down there and if you don't fight like hell you are not going to have a country. That sounds rather threatening to me.er/how-trump-could-be-held-legally-accountable-for-inciting-capitol-riot/vi-BB1cCxTM

 

There are more factors.

My own point of view is that we can't have a government when nobody ever gets held accuntable. And, we've been watchiing a direct, coordinated assauot on our democracty - where the events of the 6th are only part.

One might hope that a clear direction to impeach might encourage our VP (whose life is being threatened) to take action or for Trump to resign. Maybe Trump could hope that Pence would save him from some of the crimes Trump has committed.

After that, it could be that the Senate would actually take action. McConnell says they won't - not surprising as McConnell has never been interested in holding Trump accountable. But, when the pape lands in the Senate, senators will have to start going on record. And, tha has value.

If it looks like that won't work, impeachment can still be the basis for taking action to prevent Trump from ever holding high elective office.

 

If you are a writer then you are just throwing chaff. You'd have a refined understanding of the power of words, phrases, tempo, and then there is all the foreshadowing and setting the stage stuff that went on for WEEKS. And then there were all the nazi/fascist/Qanon provocateurs in the crowd and the two hours of cajoling to fight to save the nation and be strong and that Biden/Dems will destroy america. And when you add all that up you to the subject of intent, which was to disrupt the constitutional business of Congress.

Not to mention any writer worth their salt would also understand group dynamics and such proven phenomena as mass hysteria. But nah, he didn't actually say go and commit federal crimes and get them to overturn the election, so I guess you and yours can hide behind that piece of transparent bullshit.

Now you want to reevaluate your argument or are you going to stick to the literalist nonsense you are trying to peddle?

 

what a clownish challenge from the right. Its almost like you are inviting somebody to point out how illiterate the right is to believe that he and his surrogates didn't clearly use the rhetoric of violence.

Wait,...... I already answered this challenge concisely, but I it just struck me that perhaps some sort of biological language processing glitch contributes to the intransigence willful ignorance of blind faith in a messiah.I'll have to do some research on the subject.

 

Its glaringly obvious what he and his cronies were doing. Surfer is just desperately clinging to any defense he can muster to defend not only his Dear Leader but in doing so the nazi/fascist/QAnon slime bags. (Disclaimer: Not all trump supporters are slime bags, many are just ordinary people who fell for the con and feared for their skins).

 

You don't get to infer what other people mean. They get to decide with the direct words they used themselves. In Trump's case the words you choose to ignore were "peaceful" and "go home". You're intellectually dishonest or just lying to yourself.

I don't need someone like you telling me about my writing. You have no clue, but make almost completely blind assessments.

 

holy crap. those words Peaceful and go home happened 3 HOURS AFTER THE BREACH. during the time he and rudy were desperately trying to get hunkered down republicans to find some way to stop the process,not marshalling the forces to protect the capitol.

I am talking about the roughly 2 hours of incindiary rhetoric that PRECEDED the March.

As for intellectually dishonest, don't project, it makes you look foolish.

As to your writing skills, I merely questioned the fact you seem oblivious to plot development, the power of words/phrases and delivery, the effect of words on individuals and crowds etc in arguing about trumps naif like innocence. How do you structure your books and plots? do you set the mood thru highly descriptive and suggestive words and phrases? Are your character's dialogue devoid of implication, hint, prompting, and nuance?

You can't claim expertise in one area when you completely ignore that expertise in your own critical thinking process applied to real world events such as this.

 

WRONG.

This was at the rally prior. Direct from the source. There is no MSM in-between telling you what to believe.



Then while it was actually happening, He called for people to be peaceful and go home.

Those are facts.

 

pathetic man. truly pathetic that you still attempt to defend this cretin. And you know I'm right about the writing so what gives?

 

Trump supporters were framed and will be pardoned

 

what if they are pardoned?

 

Then they are pardoned.