The Truth: Racism in Virginia

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  1. tsuke

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    The Truth: Racism in Virginia

    In the aftermath of the events in Virginia the mainstream media were united in their message. They uniformly asked how was it possible that in this day and age this many people were joining organizations advocating for the rights of whites? This was their attempt to push the blame on the tragedy on President Trump. The truth is the answer is much older than that. Trump has only been in power for around half a year after all. The media did stumble upon the answer and it is racism.

    Before I proceed I would like to stipulate two things that I think the left and right can both agree on. First that there is a difference between how wealthy people are treated and how poor people are treated. You could take a person who hates African-Americans and he would still be deferential if someone like Oprah told him that he would invest in his business. Police would be more likely to be lenient to someone who could afford the best lawyers no matter his color than someone who could not. Second if you target any race for widespread discrimination they will form their own groups to resist this.

    Racism

    When the entire issue of affirmative action was pushed into the limelight by the Trump administration the Democrat controlled media was quick to point out that it was not because of minorities that Asians and whites were losing out on university slots it was instead due to other whites. They argue that whites tend to be legacy admissions and have a much higher rate of being accepted into the alma mater of their parents than other people. What the media misses here is that these legacies are all uniformly wealthy. After all the entire reason universities give them special treatment is to get donations from their parents. Rich white people have the legacy back door. Minorities have affirmative action and scholarships which exclusively cater to minorities. What do poor white people have?

    This is not limited to education. Consider criminal justice. If you get arrested and you happen to be African-American or any other minority it is very likely that there is an organization whose sole purpose is to provide representation for you. If you are a rich white person or a rich person of any color for that matter you have access to the best legal talent money can buy. If you are a poor white person what do you have?

    How about employment? If you are a rich person then you are most likely doing the employing yourself. If you are a minority then you have a better chance than average since the employer would like to prove that they have a diverse working environment. What about if you are poor and white? For that matter if you cried racism when you are poor and white what would happen? How hard would people laugh?

    I do not deny that some white people profited from racism. They were able to build their wealth on its back. What does this have to do with most white people? Is the immigrant from Ireland just as guilty as the plantation owner in slavery days? How about the poor white kid who worked in the northern factories? Are his descendents able to get a head start on life because of his work? The truth is when you tell a race of people that they do not enjoy the same rights and privileges that other races of people do they will form organizations that advocate for their interests.

    Institutional

    At this point I hope I have convinced you that there is a difference between how poor white people and rich white people are treated. If everyone were a rich white person then you could discriminate against them and they would not mind as they have the means to get by. Instead we have an entire class of people unfairly discriminated against. I would like to go further than that. I would like to argue that the racism poor white people face is worse than any racism minorities currently face. If I were to organize society into layers of privilege I would place rich white people on top as they were able to build their wealth thru the racism of the past and pass all the advantages to their family and poor white people in the very bottom as they were not beneficiaries of racism before and are unfairly targeted by affirmative action now.

    I divide racism into two categories. Note that this is simply a personal division that I use. Residual and Institutional. Residual racism is racism that a single person may possess but is frowned upon by society. Society will try its best to stamp it out. Institutional racism is racism that is encouraged by society. This can be thru laws, social affirmation, or thru other means. A good example would be slavery when it was still legal. Very few people questioned it or even thought they were racist when they owned slaves.

    Consider this example. A black person is told by a university or potential employer that he did not get the slot he was applying for partly because of the color of his skin. Society would explode. Boycotts, social backlash, and any number of other things would happen. A lawsuit would most likely be filed and government would use its institutional power to fine the offending party.

    Consider another example. A poor white person is told by a university or potential employer that he did not get the slot he was applying for partly because of the color of his skin. Society would not explode. In fact with the most recent Supreme Court decision it is the law of the land. A person can be denied entrance into university partly because of the color of his skin. Society would even go out of its way to reward institutions like that for promoting diversity.

    Final Thoughts

    Due to its institutional nature people practice racism against poor white people all the time without realizing it. Once society decides to discriminate against the less wealthy majority of an entire race of people and shame them when they cry racism is it any wonder that they decide to fight back?
     
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    Racism

    Your beef should be with the rich whites who get the legacy admissions, not blacks. The rich whites will always find a way due to their circumstances of birth. Blacks will not.

    Criminal justice? Poor whites have the same "opportunity" to the dregs of the justice system as blacks. And whites are less likely to BE prosecuted and when they are the sentencing is far less harsh.

    Your "issues" SHOULD be rich against poor...not black against white...but we live in a society where the rich get a pass.
     
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    Prisons are filled with rich white people.

    I don't see Trump or his people getting this "pass" you are talking about.
     
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    "filled"??

    Hardly. And hey...rich people go to "special prisons"
     
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    The point is that plenty of rich people go to prison.

    Is Bernie Madoff in a special prison?
     
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    That's your example? One guy who perpetrated the worst fraud in history?

    And guess what? He's working on having his lawyers transfer him to a "friendlier" facility...and since money talks...he'll get that
     
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    this is true. But affirmative action unfairly targets poor whites. It is the democrats pitting poor minorities against poor whites.
     
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    Good job of speaking out of both sides of your mouth
     
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    Your title is Racism in Virginia.

    I waded through that collection of generalization, rationalization and non sequiters.

    When you get to the top you listed as your title, let us know.
     
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    Actually, no they're not.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/rates.html

    These statistics pretty much make a mockery of much of the OP.

    And the Trump Adminstration's recent announcement that it was going to pander to the racist element in its base by promoting reverse descrimination has nothing to do with why Robert Spencer and David Duke flew into Charlottesville yesterday.
     
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    Not reverse discrimination, the END of discrimination. There's no need for Affirmative Action, in this day and age. Everything should be on the merit's of one's character. Just like Dr. King said. I believe in the words of Dr. King, and I think we should strive for Dr. King's ideals. Unfortunately, it seems that many people lack that mindset.

    I have no idea whether or not, if the information that the driver was "frightened" was true or not. But if the police find that he did plan to do it deliberately, I want them to seek the death penalty. I don't want to waste my tax dollars on neo-nazi filth.
     
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    But wait...aren't you a fascist?
     
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    Yes, someone who actually read Mussolini's literature.(While Mussolini's Italy did ally itself with NS Germany, out of perceived necessity it should be noted that Mussolini wasn't a fan of Hitler's racism, and only really did it to appease him much later on.) Between that, and the failed Italian campaign in Africa, Fascist Italy is a rather misnomer as far as WW2 actors, and had idiots not submerged Fascism with Hitler's Nazism, perhaps people could have a reasonable discussion on the economic views of Fascism(actual Fascism.)

    But TLDR: I'm a real Fascist, not a neo-nazi member and not a racist. Race has nothing to do with my political views, it's all about moving America forward. With our beautiful collection of Europeans, Spainards, Blacks, Jews and everything in between :).
     
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    Isms and phobias often are directed at others by people's dissatisfaction with their own lives and that dissatisfaction is often economic in nature. I don't really see a big difference between neo-nazis, black lives matters, and drunks and addicts. They all make excuses that things aren't their fault and point fingers somewhere else.
     

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