The Twin Pillars that Trump's presidency relies on

These two questions I want to ask have been asked before at one point or another in the last 4 years on these boards. To my mind, they appear to be the pillars which Trump uses as the foundation of his support.

1) The first pillar is based upon the debate about the size of government; ever since Reagan uttered the phrase, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. " Never mind the fact that the federal government under Reagan actually grew, this incessant belief still permeates conservative thought. Although the way the topic is posed by conservatives makes it seem they think the government is too intrusive, the practical reality of this thinking is to privatize a majority of government functions, and that 'somehow' private enterprises would be more efficient than public agencies.

2) The second pillar is a direct result of the culture wars and it is the one which Trump has capitalized the most on, which is the belief that America is already too diverse and that in order for us to "MAGA", we need to become more homogeneous, ethnic diversity is "killing America".

So, where do you stand on these two issues as of today?

 

Truth and the Constitution.

 

There’s a plethora of reasons I could attribute for why I voted and will vote for trump.

But if you want to know why the vast majority of people who voted for trump did so and will do again it’s very simple.

We have watched America lurch further and further left every single year. We have watched our schools inundated with liberal ideology. We have watched our media push political correctness to the extreme. We’ve seen our government mobbed by socialist and communist ideology. We have watched the values that made this country and it’s government great... a strong work ethic, a sense of personal responsibility and a strong upholding of Christian and Revolutionary values turn into a welfare state, a victimhood mentality and an immoral godless violent atheistic **** hole.

This happened because we were passive. The dirty little secret is that the liberals are not a majority, they’re simply a loud minority who is willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish their goals.

In 2016 we saw a candidate who was moving further left and who would drag our country further left towards the path of no return. She would appint two possibly three or four wholly liberal seats on the Supreme Court who would shape our country towards a leftist socialist state for the next 20-40 years.

That was untenable. As I said earlier we were passive and our representatives were passive as well. Then comes Trump who is brash, forceful and aggressive. Someone who doesn’t mind taking the punches because he’s going to deliver a few back. Someone who was willing to take on the liberal media, not back down and fight them every step of the way no retreat, no acquiescence, no quarter, never surrender.

Would he be a strong conservative President? We didn’t know. But he had to be better than ANYONE the left supports, much less Clinton. Turns out he’s done things conservatives have wanted done for years and promises to do more if we can give him a republican house. So that’s what we are going to do.

 

Thank you for your participation, but your answer does not address the OP.

Let me rephrase:

1) Do you believe most government functions should be privatized?
2) Do you believe ethnic diversity hurts America?

 

It would shock me if you ever get a straight answer from him or his ilk.

 

Yes but your question was are those the two pillars upon which my support of trump is based upon and the answer is no.

For the record both are easily demonstrable to be the superior position compared to public and diversification.

 

Shock

 

Case in point.

 

I JUST answered his question with Yes. How much more of a direct answer can I give?

 

1) Truth and transparent Govt
2) Constitutional norms

After the shift towards Fascism during the Obama years, I was ready to get back to the principals our Republic was founded on

 

Holy hyperbole

 

The fascism began in the Reagan years and has infected both parties.

Trump is the type of guy the patriots fought against.

 

I think Trump is making the hard decisions that need to be made, like renegotiating trade policies.

I don't agree with everything he does, nor did I vote for him for President, but I'm not completely sorry that he won.

 

I see your are playing with your initial

proposition in the replies. While I don't assume your motives here are legitimate- I'm going to answer.

The fundamental purpose of government is to do for the people of a nation those things which can't be done individually. That includes defense, such things as major roadways, regulating interstate commerce, etc.
But- it also means the preservation of freedom, which is the reason this nation was founded. It is to be government OF the American people, FOR the American people, BY the American people. To be an American something acquired by either birthright and parentage, or by grant of out government to those who would become worthy Americans. NOT colonialists for their homeland, but American citizens with a heritage from other cultures. America does not own the world- and the world does not own America. The American people who are legitimate citizens own this nation; nobody else.
Those who are promoting diversification without logic or sound objectives and proper controls- promote a policy of destruction, not growth. It is turning America into the nations other flee from because they won't face the challenge of fixing their own homeland. It allowing people to steal citizenship. It's allowing people to enter and take the benefits, without the responsibility. It is steadily degrading the nation- and that is offensive to all real Americans. It's a kind of continuous insult to the American citizens.

Teddy Roosevelt said it clearly:

Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
—Theodore Roosevelt, 1907

We do not exist for the rest of the world or it various populations. They also have their nations- and those nations can be anything those people are willing to make them into. The fact that they have not does not make America responsible for their choices, and does not obligate us in any way. The obligation of our government is to OUR citizens and OUR country. Anything else we do- which has been vast and generous- is charity, friendship, or business with other nations- but it is NOT national obligation. The obligation of our citizens is similar-obligation to your family- and your country.

Federal government grows because our society is losing character- we have allowed, in trying to be tolerant and generous, for people to become dependent, to demand more and more subsidy and services from government, thereby forcing it to grow into something grossly distorted from it's constitutional role and scope. This is not unlike poor parents lacking the moral strength to raise strong children, then demanding someone else (government) step in and compensate for the botched job. Kind of like parents who fail to raise their children wisley

The constitution of the United States IS the finest such document ever adopted by any nation. It IS the prime directive for our government and our nation- and it should be willfully honored by all of us, especially our leadership. The size and scope of government should be consistent with the Constitution- but it is bloated and exceeds it's limits because too many tolerate it in return for promises of personal gain or comfort or advantage.... or just plain ignorance. In short- we have allowed too many of us to become weak, irresponsible, and "entitled".

The question of diversity is simple, in that we must be able to control this- to grant citizenship wisely rather than have it stolen or given away like it was worthless, or allow uninvited people to take the benefits of citizenship without accepting the responsibilities of citizenship. This has nothing to do with discrimination- it has to do with sound judgment and our duty to our own nations, our own families, and our own future.

It is a precious right to be American, just as it is a precious right to be British, or German. Far too many who live in this nation fail to recognize that, or feel any gratitude towards the people who made that possible.
in the beginning or keep it alive today. Those are the people who would give America away, who would feed on the nation like parasites.

Logical one said it much more simply. Truth and Constitution.

 

The problem with an expanding government is that it invents problems then creates unnecessary programs to deal with these problems to justify itself. Those who promote big government do so exclusively for political purposes. Bigger government does not mean better government, every time the government grows the Constitution shrinks. Expansion is never about the people it's about politics, it's about power. Our government has expanded exponentially since Reagan and does so every time the Democrats are in power and nothing of consequence has come of it. We need a lean efficient government that is for and controlled by the people, what we have now is a severely bloated, self serving government that is 99% useless, that is the Swamp.

Diversity is an invention of the left to deconstruct America. We have always welcomed immigration and only asked that those who came to become Americans and to be invested in America. The left on these matters is anti assimilation and even suggest that immigrants cling wholly to their culture and loyal to their countries of origin. America is a country not a hotel. The success of the great American experiment lies in those who came here from other places, built America and in doing so became Americans themselves. It is the intent of the left to destroy America and in part by creating an incongruent stew of insular cultures to create chaos and anti American sentiments.

I disagree completely with you characterization of the president's foundation of support and dismiss it as just more leftist propaganda, half truths and inveracity. When you frame questions with your own misrepresentations you insult the intelligence of those you query.

 

I disagree completely with your defense of the president's foundation of support. I dismiss it as righty propaganda, not even half truths at that.

He is a Big Government progressive, always has been.

 

I voted for Trump. I will vote for him again. He's not traditionally conservative, he's not eloquent, he's not polished, he's none of the things I would equate with a "traditional" republican - and this is good. Time and time again I've watched as old school conservatives and republicans have sold out and acquiesced to the attacks and compromises forced upon them by the democrats and their corrupt media machine. It was clear from the beginning that Trump was pragmatic, but was not going to be bullied or forced into things by intimidation. I've enjoyed watching the panic and derangement coming from the left at everything Trump says. The credibility of the media has been destroyed. Democrats are being exposed as hoaxers and liars. I can't wait till he's reelected. The despair will be awesome. I've been very pleased at how Trumps agenda has progressed in spite of everything. I'm sure the economy will recover swiftly in most non democrat run states. The wall is progressing. Courts are being loaded with conservative judges, etc.

 

Maybe you're not aware of it, but "Truth" is a highly subjective term.

 

BOOM!!!!! Right on the money, Applause.

 

Only for those on the left. The rest of us think it's immutable. Either something is true or it's not. The left think truth is whatever they say it is, the left see truth as an inconvenience whenever their agenda bumps into it, like that nonsense about hundreds of genders and other fairytales.

 

Maybe you are not familiar with the difference between truth and facts.

Ricky Gervais said the following: “If we take something like any holy book and any other fiction, and destroyed it, okay, in a thousand years time it wouldn’t come back just as it was. Whereas if we took every science book, right, and every fact, and destroyed them all, in a thousand years they’d all be back, because all the same tests would [provide] the same result.”

Facts are facts, but Truths, even though they are supported by facts, is the context with which those facts create a narrative, and that includes other things which are not facts but rather personal experiences and biases.

 

1) Yes, get the government out of our lives as much as possible.
2) Phony argument. Trump has nothing against diversity and never has.

 

Subjective to the way one looks at it- yes, and that depends on the individual and their values.
People with genuine character don't tilt the scale to make it something else other than what it is.

 

"Genuine character"? Another meaningless subjective term.

 

I believe sir that if you couldn't find your answer in the post to which you responded you weren't looking very hard.