The U.N. ,Democrats, and their plan for America

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think every American registered voter needs to look at this U.N. 2030 plan and think how it would effect America lives.How I understand it the America First doctrine would definitely take a back seat in favor of the agenda driven by Democrats both left of center and far left. In my personal estimation it would call for American lifestyle, liberty, and prosperity to be greatly diminished so that other nations could either catch up or profit from the fruits of what we have developed. Joe Biden, who sees himself as "President Elect" has already signalled joining World organizations to which, in my own opinion we will take a back seat.

    Please review the plan, and let me know what you think.
    https://sustainabledevelopment.un.o...30 Agenda for Sustainable Development web.pdf
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well that was a given but apparently that's what voters wanted. Essentially the UN will set our laws for us now and they will not be favorable to us at all.

    I would start hoarding what you can.
     
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    Perhaps members more knowledgeable than I can answer this; has any nation ever surrendered it's sovereignty to the UN? I consider the UN more of a running lame joke than any threat.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We will under biden and the democrats. They want to be liked more then protecting our sovereignty.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All you have to do is look at South Africa... many of Elizabeth Warren's policies are exactly what have been implemented in South Africa. (the globalist test tube baby). Under Biden & the UN I give you 3 to 4 decades then America will be dead too... it's killer policy, open borders affirmative action, nationalising health and other services, social grants that empties the coffers... you'll own nothing... and apparently you'll be happy... because they'll own it for you...
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hopefully I will be dead by then.
     
  7. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right you are. They want to erase our borders and bring America to it's knees. That is how "globalization is to take place.
     
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    So many people who voted for Biden don't realize they just doomed this country if he wins.
     
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    No but the European countries for the most part have surrendered theirs to the EU. Perhaps they think it is working out for them but it doesn't seem like it to me. I'd hate to see the UN get the kind of power the EU has. I do agree with the running lame joke comment.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If not I'll be in prison shortly thereafter.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once all countries are "equal", i.e. 2nd World quality, they will kill dissenters just like many 2nd/3rd World countries do now. That's why, "Give me liberty or give me death," has become relevant again. The future overlords will take people up on that offer. Liberty for the masses is not part of the global bargain of the elites.
     
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    The link's not working; but the UN stands for co-operative, sustainable development in ALL countries, the implementation of economic fairness as well as freedom in each, and (eventually) the elimination of war as a means of dispute settlement between nations.

    The UNSC veto has to go: you can read about the history of the veto here: here:

    1945: The San Francisco Conference | United Nations

    IOW. the eclipse of the 'might is right' paradigm that has ruled humanity since the invention of the technology of fire.

    America First unilateralism is rejected by the world (other people want to prosper too...); even right wing commentators around the world are saying they are pleased Trump has gone (....yet for my part i liked Trump's antiwar instincts...)

    You mean this American reality: "You are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones ........"?

    Note: all development stands on the shoulders of those who have gone before, all around the world.
    [China has now certainly woken up, and has realized its plan to achieve global leadership in AI by 2030 will need to be achieved by its own efforts].


    Joe IS the 'PE" and does like multilateralism, yes. Actually he mentioned yesterday American leadership of such organisations, readily accepted by many nations, as opposed to Trump's unilateralism.
     
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    a better world Well-Known Member

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    Cor blimey...and LSG and Matthew feel the same as you...

    No wonder democracies don't work....
     
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    a better world Well-Known Member

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    Do you really want to learn? (Why do I doubt it.....)

    1945: The San Francisco Conference | United Nations

    (the above is a link)

    Above all, the right of each of the "Big Five" to exercise a "veto" on action by the powerful Security Council provoked long and heated debate. At one stage the conflict of opinion on this question threatened to break up the conference. The smaller powers feared that when one of the "Big Five" menaced the peace, the Security Council would be powerless to act, while in the event of a clash between two powers not permanent members of the Security Council, the "Big Five" could act arbitrarily. They strove, therefore, to have the power of the "veto" reduced. But the great powers unanimously insisted on this provision as vital, and emphasized that the main responsibility for maintaining world peace would fall most heavily on them. Eventually the smaller powers conceded the point in the interest of setting up the world organization.

    This and other vital issues were resolved only because every nation was determined to set up, if not the perfect international organization, at least the best that could possibly be made.
    .....

    Note: if the UNSC can rid itself of the veto, after the concept of absolute national sovereignty is recognized to be obsolete in an economically/ecologically connected world, then the world can finally eradicate war as a means of dispute settlement between nations. (The permanent members of the UNSC have 99.9% of the world's military force).



     
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    This you know for a fact of course. The man hasn't even taken office yet and already you've got Blue Helmet's running ID checks and roadblocks on every town square across America. I thought the the 'Democrats' were supposed to be protecting a global pedophile ring, instilling the worship of Satan as the State religion of the US and installing mind control devices in 5G mobile phone towers. I mean with the best will in the world there's only so the man can do in a single four year term! So whats it going to be?
     
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    He will do what his foreign masters demand as long as they promise to be our friend.
     
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    Foreign Masters? And your proof?
     
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    I have no preference between liberty or death so long as it is one or the other.
     
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    Pulling that one statement from your post, as you diverted to much focus on UNSC afterward. This thread is about Agenda 2030, which is the successor to Agenda 21 and the Kyoto Treaty (to which George Bush refused U.S. participation in 2001). The branch of the U.N. in charge of this piece of the globalist strategy is ECOSOC, not UNSC.

    To your point on elimination of war (though off topic), with the Biden Administration, we will see a return to the near-obsolete increase in "might is right" paradigm, escalation of U.S. interference in other countries, toppling of foreign government leaders, etc. That sort of war-game is what Joe learned over nearly 50 years in government. We essentially dumped a peace dove for the war-mongering American establishment, which has made enemies around the world.

    Having said that, Joe is a globalist. His younger advisors will pull the puppet strings and he will sign off on more multi-lateral agreements for the U.S. to export our tax dollars in the name of (to use your words) "economic fairness as well as freedom in each", as well as the Agenda 2030 buzzword "Sustainable Development" goals.

    Old-fashioned war with bullets and tanks and bombs is giving way to what may perhaps be more insidious, and that war is being fought through the psychological indoctrination of a global group-think ideology and is pacing quickly due to information/technology, where "some ideas are better than others". Some of us disagree and the Classic Liberal ideology, today's conservatives, are largely censored at the entry level of public education to the highest level of the U.N. and among today's U.S. Democrat Party, who wholeheartedly support the U.N. direction for a global governance.

    The American values of "freedom and equality" can be agreed upon by all. The divide is the chicken versus the egg dilemma. Classic Liberals (conservatives) hold freedom as dear, and freedom of individual opportunity naturally creates a more prosperous society allowing for an expansion of equality for all.

    Progressives and Liberals place equality first in thinking that all must be equal first in order for all to be free. Progressives are always searching for a Utopian dream which has never passed the test of reality and will never succeed. They rely on authoritarian planners, politicians and think-tank intellectuals to stomp everyone into their plans and programs. Yet even with coerced obedience from the elites, the homeless person and the rocket scientist will never be "equal". Believing that a partnership of banks, mega-corporations, academics, and wealthy political opportunities will force humanity to be "fair" and produce a better society than a free people is a pipe dream. These people are rent collectors of the world who have never actually produced anything in their lives except for ideas about how the rest of us, the producers, should be forced to live.

    Our government has mucked things up badly enough in this country by rules, constraints and restrictions on freedom, and just plain bad decision making, for the sake of "equality". A global government will be a disaster. We shall end with neither freedom nor equality.
     
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  20. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So it is a given.....you would sacrifice American exceptionalism so we could become the lowest common denominator and be ruled by a consensus of elitists and what they think is best. You know the thing.....a little Communism, a dab of Sharia, maybe just some of us that hold on to a little "individual liberty could be put into the gulags!
     
  21. a better world

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    I was waylaid by this post #3 from Joesnagg:

    "Perhaps members more knowledgeable than I can answer this; has any nation ever surrendered it's sovereignty to the UN? I consider the UN more of a running lame joke than any threat."

    Note my underlined.

    So I felt it desirable to forestall that bit of RW garbage (already liked by 'Monash') from the start of the discussion, with a lengthy examination of 'sovereignty' and the UNSC veto.

    For the sake of brevity I will let you get away with that paragraph...(But Trump, a survival of the fittest exemplar, a "peace dove"?.......)

    Well, since you don't believe in fairness and freedom for all , aka "an economy that works for all" (Sanders) in the US, I can't expect you to believe in it for other countries... but you should remember Trump's observation re the inner city ghettos: "You areliving in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones..."

    The UN does believe in it: Article 23 of the UNUDHR posits the universal right to above poverty employment.

    As for globalism: Neoliberalism is the cause of much irrationality in international trade eg forcing nations to import food (by banning tariffs) when they can grow their own food.

    That's because Classical Liberal ideology is obsolete in a world where the global economy and ecology are increasingly intertwined, so a change of balance toward the well-being of the global community, away from the interests of self-serving individuals, is required.

    There is of course a difference between global governance, and multilateral co-operation.

    Not only American values:
    France: Liberty, equality, fraternity.
    The UN: Lliberty, security. and as for equality: Article 23 posits above poverty participation by all.

    Certainly there is no freedom where there is systemic/entreched poverty amidst plenty, but no one is talking about equality in an economic sense.

    Progressives abolished slavery, and they will eradicate poverty, in a world of plenty.

    Mistakes have been made in the past, but don't fall victim to the TINA neoliberal monetarist fallacy.

    Most of that paragraph is accurate enough, except for the false dichotomy in the underlined, resulting from your TINA fallacy mentioned above.

    Addressed above. But what exactly are these "freedoms" you are speaking of?

    I saw a woman in China on TV recently. She said her husband was following the US election with interest, but she was more interested in running her shop since the government has improved her and everyone's life so much in the last decade she doesn't care about politics. What was that you were saying about "freedom"?

    In a world of plenty (since IT and AI have banished scarcity forever) governments everywhere CAN implement above poverty participation, without resort to force. If they, and we, have the will to achieve a better world. That's the goal of the UN.
     
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    a better world Well-Known Member

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    No, none of that is a given.

    I'm happy to debate the issues if you want, as in my post to LSG immediately above (Post #21) in fact most of the issues are covered there.
     
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    The indoctrination of the last 50-60 years runs deep within you. All they needed was to take control of the education of one generation of youth. We on about Gen #3 now, and the propaganda has been impressively effective.
     
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    That's a neat debating device, claim your opponent is "indoctrinated"...much easier than actually replying to the points made.

    Btw
    Cambridge study says 55% of millennials are unhappy with democracy (usatoday.com)


    Millennials used to like democracy. Now, most don't trust it, a Cambridge study suggests.
    Joshua Bote
    USA TODAY
     
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    So have conservative been too stupid or too lazy to become part of the education system?
     
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