The US did not win the war against Japan in WW II.

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  1. Toggle Almendro

    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    It is proper that untrue statements are denied.

    I diverted nothing. I confronted all of your untrue statements head on.

    Why thank you.
     
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    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    No lies. Everything that I said is amply backed up by historical records.

    You're not a real historian. A real historian would have read "Japan's Decision to Surrender" by Robert J.C. Butow and "Japan's Longest Day" by The Pacific War Research Society (along with numerous other books on the subject).

    There is certainly no ignorance on my end. You cannot point out a single thing that I am wrong about.
     
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    Raffishragabash Banned

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    You can provide facts then play pretend here, all day, and it still won't change the veracity of this matter regarding Japan gleefully serving as the USA "right hand man" in the Far East. And there's nothing you can do to change that fact.
     
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    Raffishragabash Banned

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    No, @Toggle Almendro is doing a great job of exposing your lack of knowledge on this issue.
     
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    unkotare Well-Known Member

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    By repeating the titles of a whole 2 books out of the hundreds on the subject, and simply denying all evidence he finds inconvenient? Amateur hour.
     
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    You are very deceitful here. That's considering how there has never, EVER, been any book that is validated as factual or ironclad or truthful by simply "repeating the title" of the book. So you basically just showed readers here, that you are inept at dispelling the facts laid out in those books.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who cares? And what does it have to do with "me" wanting to change anything? It has nothing to do with the fact as I wrote in the OP. If you do not understand what I said or see the proof I have provided then just carry on. I don't care. But someday you may think about it and then you will understand.
     
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    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    Two books that are essential for understanding Japan at the end of WWII.

    I have not denied any evidence.

    Well, I did dismiss that Holocaust denial site you tried to cite about a month ago. But other than that, no.
     
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    This thread suggests otherwise.
     
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    :lol:

    As I was saying...
     
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    Interested parties can read this thread, see all the links I have provided and all the facile denials and then judge that for themselves.
     
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    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    It almost sounds like you are proud that you lack an education in this subject.
     
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    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    Pointing out the fact that the peace feelers came from third parties with no authority to speak for Japan (and the fact that Japan was the party that cut off those peace feelers) is in no way a denial that those peace feelers existed.

    All it does is provide important context that you conveniently left out of your narrative.
     
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    I have been teaching history for about 25 years. You?
     
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    This is where I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt that you could not really be so naïve and ignorant, and you disappointed me. Do you really fail to understand how such things often begin and often progress? Are you really this ignorant about the power struggles going on within the Japanese government at the time and how a different response from FDR’s administration might have empowered one side over another and perhaps, just perhaps, changed the course of the war in such a manner that untold scores of American lives need not have been wasted to say nothing of the hundreds of thousands of civilians that were incinerated at FDR’s bequest?
     
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    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    Yet you lack even a basic education on this subject.

    I am actually educated on this subject.
     
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    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    Pointing out facts is hardly naivete. And there is no ignorance coming from my end of the conversation. I've actually been educated and know what I'm talking about.

    As I have already pointed out, the US did pursue these feelers in the hopes that they would evolve into actual contacts with the Japanese government.

    It was Japan that cut off these peace feelers and ensured that nothing would come of them.

    If you had been educated in this subject, you would have known this.
     
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    I understand your desire to believe that, but you are laughably incorrect (again).







    You never told me how long you've been a History teacher.
     
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    That is incorrect. The scumbag fdr had no interest in peace.
     
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    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    Wrong. You have not read texts that are required for even a basic education in this topic.

    You cannot point out anywhere that I have been wrong even once.

    But I've told you that I have actually been educated in this topic.
     
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    Wrong. The US pursued those peace feelers in the hopes that they would evolve into a real contact with the Japanese government.

    It was the Japanese government that cut off the peace feelers.

    If you had been educated in this subject, you would have known that.
     
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    Ever heard of "show, don't tell"?
     
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    Now, since you clearly recognize your limitations here but lack the character to act accordingly, you are going to repeat yourself over and over like a child. So, have fun with that, kid. I have more promising students to address.
     
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    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    My education on this subject is shown by the ease with which I correct all of your untrue statements.
     
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    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    No limitations on my end. You're the one who is proud of his lack of education.

    It is dishonorable for you to falsely suggest that I lack character.

    It is hardly childish to confront your untrue statements with factual statements.
     

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