The US is 'out of the pandemic phase,' Fauci says

Its funny people always say that when that can't explain themselves.

I don't blame you for not trying, because I don't think you could explain your claim no matter how hard you tried.

Think it through next time.

The only one running is you. All I did was ask you to explain your view.

 

You can almost see the date where Putin attacked...


We should all thank Russia for curing the world of Covid.

 

"..the economy grew like crazy in 2021..."

lmfao

 

Why is it weird? Some people don’t like to wear masks. Some people have anxiety issues with masks, especially in public where their anxiety levels are higher anyway. Some people have principles and don’t wish to support unconstitutional mandates. Hopefully all those people accept the fact you like wearing a mask on planes and don’t bother you about it.

 

I’m not sure booked flights are relevant. The only relevant fact is less people are flying than before the pandemic. Look here for facts.

https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

I’m not interested in analyzing the economy from mask perspective. I’m just pointing out the FACT less people are flying and that some are not flying because of the mask mandate.

They weren’t happy with him from December 2020 through September of 2021 either because he told Americans to NOT buy domestic N95 masks that were in oversupply and piling up on warehouse shelves without buyers. Many companies laid of thousands of workers and nearly went bankrupt as a result. Fauci’s record on masks is abysmal (he was the original anti masker).

 

Ok. I was asking because the economic POV was the topic.

Its a moot point now that we dont need to wear them anymore.

 

Less people flying for business and pleasure negatively affects the economy. I don’t think that’s really debatable.

What’s a moot point? The guy that consistently lied to you about masks for over two years now says you don’t need to wear one because the “pandemic” is over and you accept that all as moot? Following advice of known pathological liars isn’t particularly wise…

 

I think you are having trouble following the conversation. I asked (and you avoided) : It masks are the issue, then how did we have massive economic growth last year when everyone wore a mask, and now less growth that people do not wear a mask. Could it be that it really didn't make a whole lot of difference. People have been meeting remotely as opposed to face-to-face. To be honest, I hope it stays that way because travelling is a major PIA.

Masks in planes. You don't need them anymore.

You can still wear one in the plane. No one will stop you. You don't have to listen to Fauci.

 

This guy is running neck-to-neck with Trump as the World's Biggest Liar.

 

Here is the post I responded to initially.

You are missing the fact people didn’t get on an airplane because of the mask mandate and that affects the economy. That’s the elephant in the room you can’t see.

However, If I fly with a (a real mask not a cloth virtue signaling mask) mask it’s possible I may prevent being infected and that would have a positive effect on the economy. If I don’t wear a quality masks I may increase my chance of infection resulting in lost productivity and increased public spending on medical treatments negatively affecting the economy. It’s really very simple.


Economic growth in 2021 was driven mostly by business purchasing inventory and economic activity spurred by stimulus spending. It had little to do with masks. Masks throughout the pandemic have been mostly symbolic because masks of high enough quality to seriously impact transmission rates were intentionally withheld from the public.

Says who? It’s quite irresponsible to make such a blanket statement when there are quite a few folks who can still benefit from a quality mask. Immunocompromised individuals ought to weigh their personal risks, not just assume no mitigation is necessary because a judge or a lying public health official says so. Bad advice from these clowns killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. Why add to that tally by making such irresponsible blanket statements?

I haven’t listened to Fauci for about two years. He’s a liar and a fraud. Yes, anyone can still wear a mask any time they wish. That’s why I can’t understand what the big deal is. People can fly in shorts and a T-shirt. With or without a mask. Dress shoes or Converse. Who cares?

 

As the ex of an airline employee, we are not allowed to wear t-shirts, shorts, jeans, sandals or sneakers when traveling on employee passes regardless if we get coach or 1st class. Just sayin'.

P.S. Yes, Fauci...ugh...Liar, liar, pants on fire.

 

Jeez Louis. That’s quite a dress code! Guess I’d be flying neckked ‘’cause all I own anymore is jeans.

 

The same applies if we give tickets to family and friends. Women can wear open-toed shoes but must have on nylons (no naked feet) and any bad behavior by a pass holder dings the employee.

 

Its not much of an elephant, because economy grew 5.7% despite of this "hurdle" of people having to wear a mask in an airplane. Are you saying the growth would have been eve more if people didn't have to wear a mask in a plane? How much more?

Any country would take 5.7% any time, so me thinks you complain for the sake of complaining.

Its not advice, its just stating a fact that you are not required to wear them anymore.

 

Of course it would have been “more”. For every individual who doesn’t fly there is less hotel/meal services used, less rental car services used, etc. etc. all of which affect economic growth. Who would think otherwise? I have no interest in researching the exact economic impact of the average commercial airline flight. Sorry.

Holy cow. No. Only countries plagued by rampant ignorance of economics would wish for that growth rate based on the artificial metrics I described. Why? Because it leads to the massive inflation that we see now.

I’m not complaining, I’m staring facts. I don’t like inflation but it’s what ya’ll want. But I will point out why it exists so that maybe in the future you all can make better decisions.

Here is what you said.

Needing something and universally being forced to use something are two totally different things.

 

Wow. Is that the same for all airlines?

 

I'm not sure. My ex and former FIL always worked for one major airline so that whole side of the family knew the drill. I would imagine it's probably very similar though.

 

What are you talking about? The problem is that there is no exact definition of a pandemic. The problem is this is highly nuanced and not a matter of black and white. Fauci has done a great job. And claims that he has lied and lied is just idiocy.

Phase Description
1 No animal flu virus has been reported to cause infection in humans.
2 An animal flu virus in domesticated or wild animals has caused infection in humans and is considered a potential pandemic threat.
3 An animal or human-animal flu virus has caused clusters of disease in people but has not resulted in human-to-human transmission rates that suggest a community outbreak.
4 Human-to-human transmission rates are enough to indicate that community outbreaks have been confirmed.
5 The virus has caused ongoing community outbreaks in two or more countries.
6 In addition to Phase 5 criteria, the virus has caused community outbreaks in at least one additional country.

[This is what he was referring to]
Post-peak period Levels of the pandemic have dropped below peak levels.

Post-pandemic period Levels of flu activity have returned to the normal levels seen for seasonal flu in most countries.

What’s the difference between how a pandemic is defined and how an epidemic is defined?
A pandemic is a type of epidemic. The two differ when it comes to the number of people and the geographical area that they affect.

• Epidemic Definition: A disease outbreak specific to one city, region, or country. An epidemic typically starts and spreads quickly. They occur somewhat regularly around the world, but you might not know much about an epidemic unless it is directly impacting your community.
  
  
• Pandemic Definition: A type of epidemic that has spread worldwide, affecting many countries and continents. Neither the WHO nor the CDC specify exactly how many countries need to be affected for a disease outbreak to be classified as a pandemic. But experts seem to agree that when it comes to pandemics, nearly everyone in the global population is at risk of being exposed.

https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/covid-19/what-does-pandemic-mean-with-examples-vs-epidemic

 

I only wrote one sentence but it's sufficient to answer your question (red print)..

Here it is again: This guy is running neck-to-neck with Trump as the World's Biggest Liar.

 

Only people plagued by partisan pessimism would argue its all due to what you describe.

Lot of people simply do not need to travel thanks to increase in remote working. This trend is unlikely to change. Whoever refuses a work related trip because of masks is probably going to get fired, which is what usually happens to whiners.

Of course you are.

Sure. When I said you don't need to wear them anymore, I meant the obvious (the thread topic), - that you are not required to wear them.

 

I’m not partisan because I loath political parties. I care about facts. That’s it. Here is a non partisan economic research entity that agrees with me on the facts.

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime...faster-expected-2021-pandemic-transformed-its

And.

And:

Here is some general information on inflation to help you out in understanding the relevance of the above non partisan FACTS.

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/458/economics/conflict-between-economic-growth-and-inflation/

How do self employed people get fired for not traveling by air? LOL. Who is whining? Air travel has decreased for recreation as well. Remote work has no effect on that. LOL

No, I’m helping educate you on basic economics. You are whining because the FACTS conflict with your opinions. I don’t care if anyone masks or not. I don’t care if anyone flies or not. I don’t care if you want inflation because I hedge against inflation. Please don’t project….

The definitions of “need” and “mandate” are very different. You used the term “need”. It’s not my fault if you use the wrong words.

 

Turning down business because you have to wear a mask for few hours is just as whiny, but sure, if you work for yourself, you can turn down business for any reason, or no reason at all.

Of course it does. I used to travel quite a bit, but there has been no need for it since the pandemic hit, and same is true with thousands of people.

When, and about what?

Your comprehension issues are your problems. not mine. Most people understand that "no need to" can be used to indicate "not required to".

Sounds like you like to bicker just for the sake of bickering.

 

My sister in law has flown for a major Airline for decades. That rule uses to be true, but they did away with it when we non revs started sticking out like a sore thumb. They are much more lax now, because, frankly, some people wear their pjs.

 

Not where my ex works. They still enforce it. Sometimes, a woman might get away with no nylons if she has on slacks or a maxi dress that covers her feet but that's about it as far as "wiggle room".

 

Some people don’t fly because of the TSA searches that last a few moments but violate privacy. Is that whiny? Some people don’t fly because of acrophobia and they don’t want to be anxious “for a few hours”. Is that whiny? Some people don’t fly because it spews CO2 “for a few hours” and is harmful to the environment. Is that whiny? Apparently anyone who isn’t just like you is whiny…

Sorry, no. Working from home does not decrease flying for recreational purposes. Of course some people work from home now who didn’t before. But there was no “need” for it before that doesn’t exist now.

Facts. You can’t accept facts. From the moment you were shown a full flight you experienced doesn’t equate with pre pandemic airline travel being equal to today’s numbers you’ve been unable to deal with realities of flight statistics and basic economics.

There isn’t a lack of comprehension. There is a lack of knowledge of meaning and usage of words on your part.

Not really. I just get weary of seeing ridiculous claims about airline statistics and economics from the peanut gallery. Stating facts to expose fraud and ignorance is not bickering, is it?