The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

So dive in and prove me wrong. If you think you are up to it. You might want to reflect on post 100

The US is 4.25% of the global population with 20% of the total global infections.
Now, show me how your magic math says otherwise.

 

I’ll try once more….then I’ll leave you to your innumeracy and go back to hitting my head with a hammer…

Ok….your utterly confused argument is based upon those percentages and what you consider to be an imbalance….4% of a population creating 5 times that (in percentage terms) of the infections in that population. No way!…you cry. There must be massive over-reporting of the US numbers, you claim…

So, let’s compare that situation with my own country…

Australia represents only about 0.3% of the world’s population. Our current infections represent about 0.04% of the world total. In other words, our infections are about 1/7 th of our population when taken as a percentage of world totals.

If we followed your…cough, cough…’logic’ then, Australia must be under-reporting COVID infections to a factor of 7 times…! Is that what you would be honestly suggesting?

Why must the percentage of a country’s population compared with the world somehow magically align with their percentage of world infections…?? Can it not penetrate your skull that some countries might have done a better job in keeping their infections down…!?

Now, please ignore all that has been explained and go back to your partisan, BS conspiracy theory..

 

I will let my colleague do that since he has laid it out so nicely. Has it not occurred to you that the reason why other countries have done better is that in keeping numbers low it allows for more accurate contact tracing?

 

Where does worldmeter get their data?

And no — your argument has not been consistent — you have rapidly switched from death to infection depending on what narrative you want to play.

 

The agenda is to get everyone vaccinated. Facts get in the way of that agenda. Therefore, facts must be minimized in order to push the agenda. Can't talk people into getting a vaccine if the truth makes it harder to accomplish that goal.

 

I'm not suggesting anything. I am only stating what the US is claiming showing how inconsistent the US numbers are to 194 other countries. And now you are starting to get the point. Out of 195 total countries, 193 of them are 2% or less infections rate of the total global population. Yeah, I get it, they don't have the same populations as the US. That isn't the point. The point is if you take their populations individually, 192 countries are consistent in their reporting. And the US is off the scales.

So here are the only arguments you could have to my provision.

1. Everyone on the planet is lying except the US?

2. There are 219 million infections reported globally no matter what global Covid tracking website you decide to choose from.
That number is undisputed by you and everyone else.

3. The US claims 43 million of those no matter what global tracking website you decide to choose from.
That number is undisputed by you and everyone else.

4. And no matter whos math you use, 43 million is 19.6% of 219 million.
That is not disputable

5. The US is 4% of the global population no matter what global population website you decide to use.
That is not disputable

So is your argument the US is not 4% of the global population?
Is your argument the US is not reporting 43 million infection?
Is your argument about 219 million infections?

Because if you can't argue with those numbers, how do you argue with what they represent in percentage of total global infections? And no matter how many theories you throw at it, you still can't dispute the numbers. You can show how ridiculous they are by posting other examples and by doing so you are agreeing with me. Its been my point since the very first post. There is no f***ing way the US could possibly have 20% OF THE REPORTED infections on the planet.

You haven't made any case showing me where my numbers are wrong. You have attempted to use other percentages to try and prove my theory is wrong yet I didn't provide you with my theory. I didn't make those numbers up and try to sell you on why my numbers are right. I am using the global reported numbers. Not my own.

And if you find it impossible that the US has 20% of all global deaths, well thats been the entire point, hasn't it.

So take that same train of thought on to 194 other countries. If you take out India and Brazil, 192 countries are all faking their numbers and only the US is right?

India is 18% of the worlds population with 15% of the worlds infections. With 4 times as many people as the US. 33.5 million infection

Brazil is 2.73% of the global population with 9% of the global infection rate 21.2 million infections

Every other country on the planet is 2% or less

If you want to look at the global numbers updated hourly you can find them here
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

If you decided not to click on the part of the site that explains that for you, then you can provide your own global Covid number site. They all say the same thing so your theory that World Meter can't be right isn't going to fly.

The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 221 countries and territories. The day is reset after midnight GMT+0. The list of countries and their regional classification is based on the United Nations Geoscheme. Sources are provided under "Latest News." Learn more about Worldometer's COVID-19 data
https://unstats.un.org/unsd/methodology/m49/

The site is literally updated hourly to help maintain consistent reported numbers. So if a number is wildly inaccurate its replaced the same day with a more accurate number.

Use either one you like as they are within 3% of each other. If I misspoke then thats on me but the ridiculous numbers reported by the US hasn't changed.

 

Has it not occurred to you that 192 countries report numbers consistent with their population and only the US is off the charts?

 

These people will argue basic math if it means agreeing with actual outcomes.

 

If the US is lying about their death rate, why do their numbers closely match that of other nations that took similar actions of the US (per capita basis)?

If China and India are telling the truth why are there numbers so far from any other nation on earth?

 

Because those numbers just can't be true. And I will tell you how we know this.
If you go to World meter and just look at Active cases, guess what you find?
US is currently reporting 9.7 million active cases
Guess how many active cases there are right now globally. 18.5 million
So according to the US, we have 50% of all global active cases as we speak.
So how could we possibly have the same per capita numbers? Both can't be true at the same time. I am sure we can agree on that.

Right now. Active cases
India 306K
Brazil 396K
UK 1.3 million
Have you noticed the media has moved away from death counts about 4 months ago. Remember, that was the big news.
Now its infection rates. You need look no further than the Biden admin exploiting infections in Florida. They are off death counts because Florida is ranked about 27 with the 3rd highest population and the largest population of retired. That no longer plays out because it gives DeSantis credibility. This is how low we have all become. Its more important to strike fear than it is to congratulate.

India would make sense to me because they have almost 20% of the worlds population. 1.3 billion people. Their numbers seem to be in line. Or at least not ridiculous.
China is lying their asses off. No doubt. 1.4 billion people and only 95K total all time cases and only 4500 deaths? Nobody believes that. I know I don't. But their per capita numbers are right in line.

Anyway, on a personal note. I want to apologies for being so crass with over the last few days. I don't want to bore you with details but its been a tough few days. I said some things to you that were not called for and I just wanted to say I'm sorry. I'm not making excuses, I was wrong. I hope you accept my apology and we can move on to more productive discussions.

 

He continues with his falsehoods…

“Has it not occurred to you that 192 countries report numbers consistent with their population and only the US is off the charts?”

This is false. A cursory examination of the numbers of infections on the Worldometers site compared with those country’s populations shows that quite a few are greater than their population percentage would suggest, quite a few are well below what one might expect (like Australia, for instance) and others are in ‘proportion’ with their world population.

The US is clearly NOT the only country with such a divergence.

He’s just pushing the usual boring political barrow….

 

I know there is more stretch in that logic than could be found in a rubber factory

 

Sorry but you're simply wrong.

If you look at the Worldometer data, the highest infection rate per one million population is Seychelles, currently at 214,513. There are larger nations with similarly high rates such as Czechia (Czech Republic), Bahrain, Georgia and Israel. The lowest absolute recorded value is 9 (though the clue is in the name for Micronesia), but there are lots of countries reporting figures in the low hundreds or thousands.

The USA is currently at 16 on that list, with 130,577 cases per million population. That is certainly above average (the world-wide average being 29,696) but not any kind of exceptional outlier as you're trying to imply.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#main_table

 

Yep, you need more hide than a rhino to make his ‘argument’…

 

Another 'takeaway' from this data you present is that CDC and the rest are constantly moving the goal posts, changing definitions as they go. This has been happening for the last 18 months.

 

If you are right, How is it that the US currently has 9.7 million active cases, and the total globally is 18.5 million? We have 50% of all infections on the globe?
Both per capita and total infection rates can't be true at the same time

 

You accusation of falsehoods is pretty funny given the only numbers I provided are from Worldmeter.
Currently the US is reporting 9.7 million active cases.
Total active cases globally is 18.5 million.
You were saying something about the US is clearly NOT the only country with such a divergence?

Can't wait to hear how you try and explain that one away.

 

That is because you lot are refusing masks and the vaccines

MAGA,!!

 

So you think 65% of Blacks and Latinos are now Trump supporters?
Well, at least that explains why your post make no sense.

 

There is no "if" about it. You claimed that the US is some kind of statistic outlier on the basis of per-capita infection rates and the data unreservedly shows that is not true.

I don't know. The "active cases" data is calculated from "recovered" which apparently isn't especially reliable, so that could well be a factor.

They certainly could be for a nation if it had low cases in the past but a large outbreak currently. Regardless, the data obviously can read that way because it does. What it actually reflects and what, if any of it, is incorrect can't be determined without further research.

The bottom line is that however much you'd like it to be, the US data isn't significantly more (or less) inconsistent than that for most other countries.

 

I love how you just make up reasons as you go without even looking at the data.
NO, the current infected numbers DO NOT include recovered as their is data for recovered as well. These are ACTIVE cases
The US has 9.7 million ACTIVE cases
Every country in in the world combined has 18.5 million ACTIVE cases including the US.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

4% of the worlds population (USA) having 50% of all active cases on the globe, can't have the same per capita numbers as everyone else.
And you can't just make it so because you don't like the data.

 

They estimate "active cases" by taking "total cases" and subtracting "deaths" and "recovered". Hence any inaccuracy in the "recovered" figures would impact the "active cases" figures too.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/about/ ;

It is perfectly possible for the differences between nations current active cases to be entirely different to those for the total cases to date. Some countries have had significant outbreaks previously (and therefore a higher total) but are currently reporting few if any new cases (and therefore low active cases).

I have no preference for the data, it is what it is. My issue is with your misinterpretation of what the data actually is and your assumptions about what it means. It is perfectly possible that the publicly reported US COVID is uniquely flawed or manipulated but the data on it's own does not support that hypothesis.

 

Except, I didn't say that, did I? I said it wasn't possible for the US to have 50% of all global infections and have the same per capita numbers as everyone else.
But you can try again if you like.

So you have a link to show which countries are doing this or was that just you guessing again?

The data speaks for itself and you have provided nothing but your opinion otherwise.

 

Personally infection numbers mean very little to me as the virus is still transmittable. The vaccine doesn’t impact that nor does a natural immunity. China and India are both way off their reported death numbers.

I understand. Life can be exceedingly difficult and it is easy to allow it to spill over into areas you are passionate about. No worries but I do appreciate the apology — those are rare around here and show a good deal of character.