The Virtue of Nationalism (Why You Should Be a Nationalist)

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by The Rhetoric of Life, May 10, 2019.

  1. The Rhetoric of Life

    The Rhetoric of Life Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2017
    Messages:
    11,186
    Likes Received:
    3,372
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male


    There are elites in European Politics who shun Nationalism wrongly.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2019
  2. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    25,530
    Likes Received:
    5,363
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's a thin line betwixt nationalism and patriotism.
     
  3. The Rhetoric of Life

    The Rhetoric of Life Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2017
    Messages:
    11,186
    Likes Received:
    3,372
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Nothing with either.

    It's lies and untruths peddled by those who tare down Nationalism we ought to quash.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2019
    jay runner likes this.
  4. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    25,530
    Likes Received:
    5,363
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Are you a footie fan? Football is nationalistic in a tribal kind of way.
     
  5. The Rhetoric of Life

    The Rhetoric of Life Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2017
    Messages:
    11,186
    Likes Received:
    3,372
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Nationalism is Brexit and Trump. Supporting a sports team isn't freedom even though we're all free to do so.

    It's sad really how the EU have defiled such a notion and blamed WWII on Nationalism which, if that were so, then only Germans would have had a bad time in WWII; Hitler wasn't a Nationalist, he acted like an Imperialist; He's the opposite of Nationalism; He, like the EU, wanted a one world government; and that's what lead to all the bloodshed in Europe, not Nationalism.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2019
    jay runner and AltLightPride like this.
  6. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    Messages:
    14,874
    Likes Received:
    4,848
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That seems to present a fantastical and unconditionally positive image of nationalism as a concept without considering any of the risks and problems it can cause while at the same time doing the exact opposite with globalism, emphasising all of the extremes and negatives. The reality is that neither is perfect, or indeed viable, alone. Much like the false conflict raised between capitalism and socialism, the reality is always going to be somewhere between the abstract concepts.

    Of course, it seems the entire video was really just a basis to attack the EU and while I don’t mind that in itself, the build-up feels a little dishonest if that was the intent and the last section tangential if it wasn’t.
     
  7. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    16,319
    Likes Received:
    10,027
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    There is no perfection in this Universe.

    Nationalism is the closest to it.

    America First!
     
  8. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    that's hilarious
     
    alexa likes this.
  9. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    Messages:
    14,874
    Likes Received:
    4,848
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You’ve certainly aptly demonstrated that. :cool:

    What do you even mean by nationalism there. America first at what exactly? Wouldn’t nationalism suggest “America Only” (for you at least – I’d have to choose between England, Scotland or Britain Only J )? Placing your nation above and over all other nations implies exactly the kind of imperialism the video directly opposes.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2019
  10. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nationalism. Imperialism. This ism. That ism.

    If our country is damaging another country without cause, it is wrong, period.
     
    alexa and cerberus like this.
  11. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    16,319
    Likes Received:
    10,027
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    America First: American citizens able to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness -- to the complete exclusion of benefits to foreign citizens and illegal aliens; with the well-being of other countries being almost no concern of ours, that is, with consideration of foreign countries being tertiary or quaternary at the most -- because they have their own governments to look after their interests.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2019
  12. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are describing isolationism, jay runner, not nationalism
     
  13. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    16,319
    Likes Received:
    10,027
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Say you.
     
  14. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    na·tion·al·ism
    /ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/
    noun identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
    1. "their nationalism is tempered by a desire to join the European Union"
      synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, allegiance/loyalty to one's country, loyalism, nationality;
    .

    i·so·la·tion·ism
    /ˌīsəˈlāSHəˌnizəm/
    noun
    1. a policy of remaining apart from the affairs or interests of other groups, especially the political affairs of other countries.
      "the country chose a policy of isolationism that made it a secondary player in world political events"
     
  15. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    16,319
    Likes Received:
    10,027
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Nationalism is a political, social, and economic ideology and movement characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation, especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining the nation's sovereignty (self-governance) over its homeland. Nationalism holds that each nation should govern itself, free from outside interference (self-determination), that a nation is a natural and ideal basis for a polity, and that the nation is the only rightful source of political power (popular sovereignty). It further aims to build and maintain a single national identity—based on shared social characteristics such as culture, language, religion, politics, and belief in a shared singular history — and to promote national unity or solidarity. Nationalism, therefore, seeks to preserve and foster a nation's traditional culture, and cultural revivals have been associated with nationalist movements. (Wiki)

    America First!
     
  16. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, that is nationalistic.
     
  17. The Rhetoric of Life

    The Rhetoric of Life Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2017
    Messages:
    11,186
    Likes Received:
    3,372
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The EU shuns Nationalism damaging European countries.
    The EU elections aren't even to elect those with power in the EU.
    WWII Nazi Germany had EU like Imperialistic ambitions.
    The USSR and the EU both force a one world government idea.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2019
    jay runner likes this.
  18. gnoib

    gnoib Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2019
    Messages:
    5,457
    Likes Received:
    4,083
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That again is a truly funny post, you are on a roll.
     
  19. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    25,747
    Likes Received:
    9,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nope
     
  20. The Rhetoric of Life

    The Rhetoric of Life Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2017
    Messages:
    11,186
    Likes Received:
    3,372
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Where do you get 'Nope' from?
     
  21. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2015
    Messages:
    12,410
    Likes Received:
    2,689
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nationalism is a radical political ideology ...
    The own people are regarded as "the perfect" and "better" people and thus devalued directly or indirectly all other peoples.
    This is a first point of friction ... the nationalism caused by its environment, because what the hell makes the own people better than the other next to? Nothing!
    In addition, nationalists try to adapt the environment as far as possible to their own nationalist ideas and thus impose their own will on other peoples! This can quickly lead to and result from direct and deliberate conflict with other nations (with proper propaganda, etc.) ... and we have had more than enough war through nationalism in Europe because one people thought it was better than that other. Yes ... also my country very much, but not only not alone!

    The increase of nationalism, the chauvinism is an ideology that is directed specifically against other peoples, which is reflected in the form of hatred and contempt. Of course, there is also the danger of persecution of certain ethnic or religious groups ... and very quickly there is the subject of anti-Semitism, which is just the own people with the corresponding religion over a part of the population which are Jews!

    And als crap is then created again ... as here

    Wrong ... but I think you mean for example Hungary? If yes, you can't be serious to ignore again facts!

    Learn facts about the institutions of the EU better, before writing such a bullcrap!

    And if every argument is killed, then comes the rediculous evil Nazi Germany! Lol ....

    And next bullcrap ... every member joined out of free will ... and every member can go if they want. But then such a country that wants to go, should also tell us with political majority behind, how they want to go ... something for what teh Brits are to incometent for!
     

Share This Page