'The worst briefing I've had': Senate Iran briefing gets heated

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  1. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

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    You said its Trumps fault another country shot down a plane and you call others posts thoughtless?
     
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    Tell that to the families of the 176 travelers who were accidentally shot down as a result of Iran's anti-aircraft outposts being on high alert due to Trump's threat of attacks against Iran's most revered cultural locations.
     
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    Hmmm...if the United States had not been in the Middle East (particularly Saudi Arabia), there would probably have been no 9/11. However, I personally completely supported Bush's action in Afghanistan, while opposing his invasion of Iraq. Rice supported the invasion based on false intelligence.
     
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    If we knew that, why were there no details included in the recent briefing to congress?
     
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    He committed an act of war without consulting with Congress.
     
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    If Mohammed was never born ...... blah blah blah.. The what ifs are amusing.
     
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    Please do, post some links. I need a good laugh today.
     
  8. RP12

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    How so? Is killing a terrorist an act of war? if thats the case we have done it many many many times.
     
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    It is if that person is a General in a sovereign nation's military forces and you do it on foreign soil without the permission of the host country and fail to inform Congress in advance. Using the "end" to justify the "means" is the beginning of starting down a slippery slop.
     
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    That General was designated a terrorist by he Obama admin. There is no need(law) to inform Congress beforehand.
     
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    Pardon me for not using a sarcasm emoji. You must be new here.
     
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    So what? No one is questioning that.
     
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    Then what is your issue?
     
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    The issue is that the President failed to inform either the Iraqi government and our own U.S. Congress before taking action.
     
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    Sounds like someone who is absolutely clueless on the complexities of software and the training it takes to do the work.

    Just think for a second about the software most people use every single day now. Track packaging in real time, order online from multiple restaurants or grocery stores, software that can detect an issue with an Operating system, apply a fix or move the data to another server, load the software, configure then restart the machine and pick up seconds from the problem or in some cases milliseconds.

    Do you think that takes a wand and happy thoughts to make happen?


    I manage a team of engineers in charge of maintaining and building servers for well over 300 applications servicing millions of people around the world.

    You cannot teach that knowledge base in an afternoon or even 3 months with full training which no one has time to do anyway. It takes years of certifications and training to be at that level.


    H1Bs are not stupid because they are foreign. They are stupid because they are college aged kids who were rushed through an accelerated program designed to get them out the door not train them for the jobs they are taking from American workers.

     
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    You might have a gripe about not notifying Iraq however there is nothing you can point to that he had to inform Congress.. You cant point to other examples of "Congress" being notified before taking out a Terrorist can you?
     
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    Why do you think that?
     
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    Does Trump have to notify Congress before killing The Supreme Leader of Iran?
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes. As he would if he decided to assassinate Assad, the leader of Syria, or ANY head of state.
     
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    Is he designated a terrorist?

    Was Ghadaffi?
     
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    Because it doesnt exist in the Constitution nor the War Powers Act..
     
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    Yes. The assassination of a State official, with whom we are not at war, would be termed an "act of war." Only Congress has the power to declare war. I have to run errands...will address the War Powers Act later.
     
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    You seem to be quite similar to Representative Doug Collins, however, you could be no further from the truth of what real US citizens feel about terrorism.
    Let me quote some one much more prolific than I to tell you where and how all of those like you are so misguided..
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    ou are not my congressman, and while I am ever thankful for that fact, after seeing your performance on Fox News on Wednesday night, I'm not sure you are fit to be anyone's congressman. Specifically, I saw you blithely assert on national television that Democrats "are in love with terrorists. We see that they mourn Soleimani more than they mourn our Gold Star families."
    No American is "in love" with terrorists or "mourns" the death of that Iranian general on an airstrip in Baghdad. Many of us do, however, mourn the death of decency, honesty and reason here at home.
    I realize that you are a politician and that hyperbolic, hyperpartisan claptrap is the unfortunate fashion of the day. But even allowing for the new normal of nastiness in political rhetoric, your casual slur of countless good Americans hits a new bottom. Americans can, in good faith, differ about the legality or efficacy of killing Soleimani. That doesn't make them unpatriotic or lovers of terrorists. It is hostility to differences of opinion that is un-American."
    No one is supporting terrorism in any form or any manner whatsoever but with your statement and your hyperbolic statement you insult every US citizen whom you chose to in your manner.


     
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    There was nothing false. Saddam had been and would always remain a WMD threat and sponsor of terrorism.
     

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