Theresa May calls snap election

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  1. Baff

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    It's got nothing to do with the polls. It's the seats.

    Her popularity can drop through the floor, but there is no one there to beat it.
    Pragmatically, who can you vote for to get rid of her, that you don't like less?

    Answer? No one.

    Without the SNP, Labour can never rule the UK.
    The core of the left wing vote has split.

    The best it can hope for is an SNP coalition, but the SNP are separatist's. They want power so that they can leave the UK.
    Which puts Labour right back in the same unwinnable maths.

    It's done. Labour has destroyed itself. Can't win until it conquers Scotland. And I don't think it's going to.
     
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    No person of sound mind could possibly believe that one day, Jeremy Corbyn will walk through the door of No 10 Downing Street. Jesus it was surreal enough when John Major and Pumped-up Dave Cameron did.
     
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    And the sooner, the better! :roflol:
     
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    It appears you can't delete a post...or if you can I haven't worked out how to.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've noticed that too, yet I'm sure I was able to when the board was new. I distinctly recall seeing a Delete post button.
     
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    It's just dawned on me.

    Theresa May accusing Angerla Merkel of trying to effect the UK election was unfounded since Theresa May said it into regards to Angela Merkel calling Theresa May the Erdoğan of Downing Street, the Marine Le Pen at No. 10. -
    I just assumed that was said to a domestic audience, but Angela Merkel said that to me (not personally) but me, as a British voter.. Now;

    Who listens to Angela Merkel in the UK who's voting?
    The things she said, frightens me more about Merkel than it does May.
     
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  7. Baff

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    Mrs May wants to keep the election on Brexit.
    No reason to let her get it all her own way.
     
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    Ironic that having lobbied just about every foreign entity and leader, including those in the EU, to interfere on behalf of Westminster in the first Scottish Independence referendum....she is now whining about perceived EU interference in a UK election.
     
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    I was reading earlier that she had no intention of dealing with issues - hence no debate but was intending on using slogans and appealing to emotions. Re that speech in particular but also in general - I think she is doing a Trump
     
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    It isn't 'perceived', it's downright blatant! And it was contrived for no other reason than to humiliate her.
     
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    More blatant than the Westminster Government encouraging foreign Governments to interfere in the Independence referendum on Westminster's side?
    I don't think so! Just how is the EU interfering in the UK election, out of interest? If it is that blatant, you must have examples to cite.
     
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    I don't expect you to understand this, :roll: but our PM is being undermined - for instance, remember how at first Junkers said the Downing Street dinner went well, but as soon as he got back to Brussels he said she 'lives on a different galaxy'? And how he's provocatively upped the 'divorce payment' to 100BN euros? And that's just the beginning.
     
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    Don't think they were as optimistic as "went well". Think it was more on the lines of a phrase which said nothing...like "a constructive meeting ahead of the negotiations formally getting underway.” Not unlike the platitudes we used get every time there was a meeting between Israeli heid bummers and those of the Palestinians at Camp David..and then nothing ever came of the "negotiations". Political speak for "nothing to see here" in fact.

    Inclined to think that the leak had nothing to do with undermining Theresa May and interfering in the UK elections...after all, everything isn't about the UK......probably more to do with getting the 27 on side with what the Commission would prefer to have as part of the negotiations, as it was just before the summit in which the leaders of the 27 were due to adopt the guidelines for negotiations of the basic divorce. After all...considering the reaction by many in the UK to the leak....it has been counter-productive, as negative briefing tends to be, if the idea was to put May's gas at a peep., given the ire being vocalised by Brexiteers. and even some Remainers.

    Regarding the possible hike in the exit bill (could does not mean would/will...and is the gross amount without rebates etc), that was not a unilateral decision by Juncker....that was a revised estimate made by member states regarding legally binding budget commitments already made by the UK, like pension contributions for MEPs and civil servants. .

    Nobody actually knows how much it's going to be and everybody is bandying about gross guesstimated figures as if they were facts. ..something the Westminster Government should be quite comfortable with, given the "accuracy" of ONS figures and OBR forecasts on the state of the economy...and the "£350 million a day" payment to the EU which will be "spent after Brexit on the NHS"...when the meanest intelligence knew that was propaganda and most of us knew that the £350 million was before rebates and grants received.

    All much ado about nothing, as far as I can see. Though to be fair, if you are going to go by the media's and politico's take on the results of the local elections in Scotland, Juncker's description of the Tories as "delusional" was spot on!
     
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    If they were legally binding, then our laws must be changed to represent that they are not.

    We will not be legally bound to the EU.

    If they want money from us, they must justify what they are giving us for it in return. If we want it, pay it. If not, not.

    The existing agreements? They are void. They hold no mandate here, they never did.
    Our patience for them is at an end.

    Any pensions MEPs have agreed between themselves and the EU is between themselves and the EU. Don't bother coming home.
    Your disservice to us has not gone unnoticed. Your self serving greed has gone unpunished.
    We owe you. But it is not a pension that we owe you. So don't push your luck.
     
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    What you fail to realise is that the rebates and grants were paid (to us) from the £350m annual net contribution, so we were simply getting back some of the money we'd paid in. It was our money to begin with, in other words? So obviously it was 'propaganda' generated by the Remoaners - and even after all this time they're still bloody Remoaning!! :mrgreen: Oh, and as to your last para - if anyone's 'delusional' it's Juncker and his Brussels fat cats. Prolonged power makes people delusional - it's a well-known fact.
     

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