They fought, killed and died.

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  1. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Americans before us have fought, killed and died for things like fair and free elections, emancipation and territorial sovereignty. Many Americans today think that those things are no longer worth fighting, killing or dying for. Indeed, many Americans are far more offended by the idea that there are those who are still willing to fight, kill and die for those things than they are by fixed elections, slavery or open borders. They have not only lost the strength that is required to fight, kill or die for what one believes in, they have lost the beliefs themselves.

    Quite in keeping with the great Americans who went before us, I am willing to fight, kill or die for free elections, the equality of all Americans or our territorial sovereignty.

    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - REELECT PRESIDENT TRUMP
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are those, even here at PF, who equate one's willingness to fight, kill or die for their country with an incitement to violence.
     
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    Obviously a great many Americans are still willing to defend the nation.

    Many millions have taken the oath, as I had log ago- and find it more relevant, more important today than ever.

    "I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.... "

    This is not a commitment to offense, but to the defense and preservation of your own nation. I consider any person who cannot support that to be a second-class kind of citizen, one who probably shouldn't be entitled to vote and certainly not to hold office. Unfortunately, some of them do.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you consider what you just wrote above to be an incitement to violence?
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    So to the American soldiers, police, firefighters, doctors, nurses who might vote for a Democrat ... you feel that those people are unAmerican?
     
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    There was Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq too, all of which cost American lives and a pile of gold.
     
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    It's a different country now. There are those ( and I believe there are more of us than them ) who truly hate America but are perfectly happy to enjoy all of the good things that America provides. Most of them cannot in one sentence tell you why they hate America. I can tell you that it's something that is by now is multi generational. They have no collective memory of the origin of this hate as opposed to the two hundred thirty plus years of our history that is the source of our reverence for this great nation, they just hate without knowing why. They can spout off grievances about a multitude of things that are mostly non issues or total fabrications the purpose of which is to agitate and create a narrative that supports their hatred. They are the children of the MSM and are conditioned to hate, they hate because the are told to, they hate because they think they should. They hate America but feel they are entitled to all of the good it provides simply because they were born here. I wonder if they would still love the socialist paradise they envision once the reality of it is revealed. This is America and they are free to hate all they want but there will always be real Americans that will fight, kill, and die for all of the real things that make America the great country that it is. Donald Trump is far from perfect but just by being elected he exposed the evil that exists in our government that has grown and festered like a cancer.The Democrat's criminal cabal has been revealed and it's confederates, the MSM have been discredited, many eyes have opened.MAGA
     
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    Of course you know better than that, because you subscribe to the same commitment.
    The people who would call it an incitement to violence want to label it that way in order to shield their own malice and ambitions against defense.
    The statement I added notes that this oath is to defense, not offense.
     
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    Even paying taxes is too large of a sacrifice for Trump fans. What makes one think they are willing to die for their country?
     
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    Perhaps you should ask that question of all those haters who think the right is un-American. Just this morning, a report notes Howard Stern commenting that all Trump supporters should all take disinfectants, like drinking Clorox, and drop dead.....

    Do you think that is un-American?? I do. But then, I'm a proud deplorable too.

    I have no problem with anyone voting for a democrat. I have a problem with anyone who votes for a democrat because he's wearing the label rather than having the ability to do the job.
     
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    Since my taxes would usually support the average family or more; since I've never taken a dime in any kind of support from government, that kind of falls flat. It's the dems who want to give away money and tax somebody else for it. That is historically fact, and nothing new- always somebody else will pay, just no them.... Kind of missed that in your political research, no doubt. Get AOC to update you.
     
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    Nope just misinformed.
     
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    There are plenty of Americans who are more liberal than you who have paid more tax than you will in a hundred lifetimes. Please just stop with the "holier-than-thou" crap.
     
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    I have no problem with a reasonable amount of taxation unfortunately, Democrats think a 90% tax on those paying salaries is reasonable.
     
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    The willingness of young men to fight for the nation has been so often abused by those in power that it is no wonder if there are far fewer willing to blindly go along. Even the present C.I.C. did not serve.
    Anyone who supports the duopoly can arguably be thought uninformed.
     
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    As opposed to all those haters who think the left is un-American? BOTH sides has its fair share of people who hate the other side and think the other side is un-American. Saying otherwise is beyond asinine.
     
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    The fact that I am not willing to kill or die for a cause doesn't make me unAmerican. I am willing to give more of what I have to ensure that those with less are able to take care of themselves with healthcare. Somehow, that also makes me unAmerican in the eyes of many.
     
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    Stop with the attempt to label all the right with one brush. And there's more to being a good citizen than the amount of your taxes- it's also the intent, the honor and integrity with which a person lives their lives and related to their fellow man. I measure that by what you do- the left measures that by what you do for them. See it constantly in their politicians, and the comments right here everyday.
     
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    I won't argue that as a black and white issue, it can never be- but the preponderance, the balance of hate.... is clear in the unprecedented and continuous assauts on the president that began even before his election. Saying otherwise- is gross denial, and of course you know it.
     
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    It's not what you are willing to give that triggers that - it's what you are willing to forcefully take from others to support what you think should be done. Doing so disenfranchises other citizens the right to control their own lives and the fruits of their labor.
     
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    And that makes them un-American, does it?
     
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    You mean steal from me to give to someone a bureaucrat thinks is more deserving?
     
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    So then the draft was unAmerican?
     
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    It's hilarious that you post this about Americans willing to fight and die ... then support a candidate who begged out of service instead of the two Democrats who actually served .... whatever.
     
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    "Fruits of their labor " is often partially financed through the advantages of the collective. We get our raw goods through
    government financed sea ports, and airports then transported over government roads. Our income might be generated by clients and customers who received that money they are handing you through government programs or contracts. It's a symbiotic relationship, not a parasitic one.
     
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