Third drug tunnel found in less than a month along Arizona border

Since not’n works,

Let’s bend over and grab the ankles?

 

You are right, if they are all on the same team. But do you suppose a cartel that invests in digging machinery will simply allow a rival cartel to use their tunnel? Or an individual with a backpack full of coke? Furthermore, why did they dig a tunnel? Apparently the path of least resistance had been blocked. And apparently we can detect and destroy tunnels, so they have to dig new ones.

But I think you missed the point. The wall makes it harder. Just like airport security makes it harder (but not impossible) to hijack an airplane. There is a reason the pilots sit upfront behind a wall and when they need to relieve themselves the aisles are blocked with service carts.

 

"Nothing works" are your words, not mine, so you go ahead and grab your ankles.

 

The tunnels are used for drug smuggling AND illegal border crossing. Seems obvious the tunnel diggers will allow people to use their tunnels for a fee.

Yes, they will dig new ones when old ones are discovered. So, now the goal is simply to make it more difficult, not end it......ok. If the number of drugs and illegal aliens remains the same as before, then we did not solve anything. Who care how difficult it is to cross, of they cross anyway? They are already flying to Canada and hiking South to US.

 

So, systems (including walls) make criminals spend more resources to try to get around the problem of getting things in.

And you think this makes an argument AGAINST walls?

Walls are there to help stop things, they don't stop 100% which is the stupid strawman argument Progressives are trying to make.

These drug tunnels make me think we should have a wall even more

 

Rubbish, they all pay sales tax

 

I have not heard progressives make such argument. They argue a wall will barely make a dent to illegal immigration or drug smuggling, and it seems to be a common sense argument, since even today most come in as tourists and vast majority of drugs come through official ports of entry. The wall is very expensive to build and very expensive to maintain, and the illegals and drugs will still come in.

 

I'm actually thinking the opposite. Without a wall, the drug smugglers would have simply walked across the border. A tunnel takes effort, time and money, plus the smugglers take all the risk. On top of that, they can bum rush us with a tunnel or ladder, so there's that. The way to stop the tunnels is to pound metal rods into the ground until they hit rock.

By the way, how would technology have prevented this?

 

Having lived in So Cal and El Paso, I can honestly tell you there's a huge underground economy among Mexicans. Huge.

 

Well, for the most part they do not choose to walk across the border today, and instead bring vast majority of drugs into US through official ports of entry. If they suddenly chose to bring it on foot, a steel slat fence will do nothing, since drugs can be handed between the bars to the other side with no issues. Also in the past they have used catapults, drones etc to take drugs over existing walls. It is a pipe-dream to think a wall would somehow stop drugs from coming in.

 

OK, then are you in favor of abolishing the TSA? They only make things difficult. But it is still possible to hijack an airplane. So we give up and start building fire arm kiosks inside airports?

No, the goal has not changed. But we realize there is not a single perfect solution. Brushing your teeth doesn't prevent all tooth decay. Should you forego brushing?

 

The Border Patrol disagrees with you.

 

According to the stats 1 person a day on average dies trying to cross.

 

There's only one answer to this; it'll be passive and cheap (well cheaper than any alternative thus far) and need no on-going administering - construct harmless 'mines' containing a movement-sensor to look like rocks; they'll be filled with dye which will contaminate anyone within the 'explosion' area; place the devices strategically in the vulnerable access points of the borderline. Sorted?

 

Interesting idea. But if it is effective of course there will be on-going costs of replacing the 'mines.' And of course you need Border Patrol to be standing by to figure out why Blue Man Crew is camping next to the El Paso Motel 6.

 

Fair comment, but maybe the deterrent effect would stop them coming in such numbers, so when the word gets out and they gradually stop arriving, there won't be very many to replace?

They wouldn't necessarily need to be apprehended at the border, but they'd have foreknowledge of the risks of apprehension at some point in the near future, when, for example, they apply for employment or sustenance or health care. The tricky part then would be knowing to which country they must be returned?

 

You are right that if dye mines are effective, you don't have to replace them. But dye on the skin doesn't last very long. Maybe tattoo mines would be more effective? Step on the wrong rock and the flag of a Central American country gets tattooed to your forehead. That could work.

 

Or just ship it through any port of entry, because the Border Patrol is just that fekkin' incompetent.

 

And a wall will somehow save their lives......?

Is the wall going to be made of C-Rations and Gatorade?

 

No, it's not fairly obvious. Acosta proved the other day that walls are effective.

With a vast majority of the Southwest Border completely absent of any kind of man made impediment to crossing, additional border wall/fence would allow CBP to focus on methods drug cartels and smugglers to get across. Methods like digging tunnels.

All one has to do is listen to the CBP agents to learn these facts, as opposed to CNN and other MSM partners of the New Democratic Party.

 

And they have been discovering these tunnels for decades now.

 

Wall + use the technology available to detect tunnels and collapse them with explosives.

Nevermind that someone could be down there, bury them.

 

If he is right in saying there is no emergency, then why are we still talking about a wall?

Maybe they should focus on where vast majority of drugs are coming from, which is official ports of entry.

 

The vast majority of dangerous drugs are produced by Big Pharma.

 

That kind of misses the point here, doesn't it since we are talking about illicit drugs which are smuggled in.