Third drug tunnel found in less than a month along Arizona border

Don't forget to lay mines in the coastal shore too ... will hinder these drug smuggling speed boats, eh?

 

About 700 miles around the hot spots, which is where the tunnels are.

 

You mean like booby-trapping the Florida beaches?

 

Less than that, but I won't quibble.

And of course the tunnels are where man made impediments are, since it wouldn't make sense to dig a tunnel when there is nothing to stop someone from crossing. Kind of indicates walls work, doesn't it?

It's illogical to think 100's of thousands of people are crossing the border via tunnels.

The hot spots for crossing are not where there are walls.

A review of CBP data would illustrate that.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/usbp-sw-border-apprehensions

Providing funding to properly address these hots spots appears to be what the New Democratic Party is trying to stop.

The process to address these hot spots has started because of past funding.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/border-wall-contract-award-rio-grande-valley-texas

 

Any wall, which is 2000 miles long (no matter how much taxpayer money they throw at it) will have plenty of weak links which make the whole wall pointless.

 

Work? If the goal of the wall is to stop illegal crossings and drug smuggling, then obviously they did not work if people and drugs are still coming in through tunnels. They don't even bother to go around it, when they just pay a fee to use a tunnel and go completely undetected.

Correct. Most take airplanes and overstay their visas.

It is also what the Republican party stopped in 2012. The game of politics is a nasty one. Are you surprised Dems oppose Repubs after Repubs opposed everything across the board for 8 years when Dems tried to get things done? I'm not surprised. Heck, GOP even opposed corporate tax cuts when Dems proposed it.

Why do you think the wall issue became an "emergency" only after GOP lost control of the House?

Gridlock in DC is not always a bad thing.

 

According to government data, your claim that most illegals living in the US are the result of overstaying their visas is not correct

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_0807_S1_Entry-Exit-Overstay_Report.pdf

Visa Overstays is a significant short term problem though.

You might review the information in the links I am providing. It cuts through the propaganda that is smothering the issue.

 

Trump admin data.....LOL

It's about 50/50 overstays vs illegal border crossings from Southern AND Northern border. The Northern border crossings are becoming more common now that the illegals have realized they can fly to Canada (no visa required), and then simply walk across the border to US.

 

"Bbbbut Trump" is not a rational response to Federal Data.

So, here is a report developed during the Obama Administration.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/05/22/dhs-releases-fiscal-year-2016-entryexit-overstay-report

Where the partisan propaganda takes over is by ignoring even Obama Administration data that demonstrates the majority of people who overstay their visa's eventually return to the countries of their origin. They are not long term residents of the US. It is a short term issue though, and needs to be addressed.

You can either accept this information, or not. If you reject it, then I would be interested to know on what basis you are doing so.

 

For example ...

 

Why, I heard it from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a US Congresswoman herself - and she knows what she's talking about.

 

You should rise above the liberal rhetoric created for people disinterested in actual facts.

 

This doesn't confirm walls dont work. Do you think tunnels are easy to make? Are you so confident in this that you will leave the doors off your home because of people can just tunnel in, what is the need? Looks like another failed anti wall thread to me

 

Got it!

 

On the contrary

The existance of the tunnels prove that the wall does work

 

It is not liberal, or even libertarian rhetoric, it is pure common sense. Try it.

 

They prove the wall did not stop the smuggling and illegal entry.

Heck, Trump said it himself, that if you run into a concrete wall, you will need to find a way to go around it, over it, or under it. He understands, so why can't his loyalists understand?

 

If you know while in Guatemala that force marching your children the lenth of Mexico to the California border is a fool's errand and you will have no shot at crossing over, then I think even a Central American is smart enough not to begin a journey doomed to failure. Then they don't die along the way. That is how a wall would save lives.

 

Your solution to "weak links" is apparently to have missing links. Eliminate links altogether. It does not sound like a plan for success.
In football, one offensive lineman will always be the "weak link." That does not make the line "pointless."

 

No shot? No one would consider a wall an impassable barrier. Easy routes and tunnels will be common knowledge in those places, so the wall won't even slow them down.

 

No, I offered my solution, and what wasn't it.

 

Of course it will slow them down! They would be funneled through the "easy routes & tunnels" to where a limited border patrol would be focused and waiting. Then you don't need to station agents all along the border at intervals of a mile or so watching their drones while sitting in detention vans waiting for the food truck to come by and for someone to clean out the port-a-potties. Just think of the infrastructure you could avoid using long stretches of walls. Each BP station needs electricity, bathroom facilities, water, food, vehicles, drones, men, etc.

And guess what? We don't need to pay salary, Social Security, retirement, and other benefits to a wall. But in your chain analogy, the wall is not the chain, it is just one link, currently the weakest/missing link. Other links are e-verify, the BP, ICE, etc. Using your logic one could argue that the Border Patrol is pointless because it can't by itself solve the problem. There is no one solution. A wall would be one element that would stop illegal pedestrian and vehicular traffic.

 

Oh, I see. The BP will just keep the tunnels open and pick up the people using them, and the cartels have no idea about it.......

Seriously?

 

Fill them with sewage.