Third migrant caravan enters Mexico, heads for U.S. border

an opinion.... your opinion and nothing else. I need more than an anonymous opinion please

 

No, those are actual facts that I cited. They can be easily checked. What you are using is emotion and opinion and a false information to spread misinformation.

Nice try though.

 

That's not my schtick.

 

It might be useful to look a litttle closer at the IMF and World Bank and who actually has control, they are a product of Bretton Woods.

"functioning properly" in this case means foreign corporate control of the nations natural resources.

 

I care because then that company or individual can undercut legitimate businesses, and are not 'competing fairly'. I have personally observed undocumented workers in business for themselves or as part of a company, and they often if not usually get paid cash 'under the table'. So no federal or state income taxes, no worker's comp, no payroll taxes, no sick leave, no vacation, etc. Not only are they making better money per hour for their labor without the deductions that citizens are required to make, but they are not contributing taxes to the infrastructure that they are using. This means they can radically under-bid citizen businesses who are doing their best to play by the rules, who then have to struggle to pay their employees, provide normal benefits, pay taxes, and still get enough business to pay the bills, etc. Finally, employers who are willing to hire undocumented workers create an opportunity for those who do sneak through the border, which I believe is actually a draw that encourages people to cross the border illegally.

I like to approach problems by looking at root cause. If you do not address root cause, you can probably only hope to suppress symptoms, and most often only temporarily at best. Just to head off the comment, I do not believe in open borders any more than I leave my house door wide open for all who might like to check out my fridge. I also do not think a physical wall is the most cost effective solution to illegal immigration, even if it would make a large number of concrete contractors very happy. It addresses the symptom: block people from entering the country who are desperately trying to survive. I think it is just too simplistic to hope a wall will somehow solve everything about a complex immigration problem. People, these are people too, doing exactly what I would probably do to save my family if I were in the same situation. I wouldn't lay down and die because you don't care. Root cause analysis would have us at least understand and address the conditions that are driving them out of their country, the inadequate legal mechanisms for legal immigration, the attraction of good employment through law-breaking employers, medical care for emergencies, etc. I'm not saying we necessarily owe the poor of the world a comfortable life. I do think we need to realize this is not the last of the 'caravans' that we will see or need to address. It is the tip of the iceberg for migrant populations, driven not only by the current problems in their home countries, but increasingly by the the new pressures of sea level rise, droughts, floods, agricultural failure and even automation as people with formerly good jobs suddenly are displaced by new automation technology (this could be you or me too!).

So I am saying we have to stop thinking a quick, simple solution (build a wall) is going to fix this. As citizens we can at least start to do something, that being 'vote with our dollars' and not hire illegal workers or work with businesses that employ illegal workers, because it does matter, and it will make a difference!

...and other solutions based on real root cause analysis will have to be another thread.

 

Oh hell, As soon as we are a 3rd world country, they won't want to come here.

 

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These caravans are just gonna keep on coming until someone lets them know that they won't be allowed into the US when they reach the border, so WTF doesn't someone tell them ffs?

 

Those pesky laws are a B!tch aren't they?

 

Maybe that's the democrats plan to get a handle on illegal immigration

 

Every country has to solve its own problems now, in the present. The USA is not responsible for the well-being of any other country.

De Soto and Coronado were sons-a-beeches. So what.

 

Did you watch the interview of the 2 ladies?
They admitted that they used fake green cards when they applied for the job.
My question is, why are they both still in the US if ICE have all their details like name, photo and address.?

 

Same reason illegals can hold mass demonstrations carrying Mexico's flag and not be deported I guess.

 

Yeah, and they came across as likely illegals.

Beats me.

Replace the SS card with a national ID modeled after the Nexus Pass where there's a government database that can be updated and the card can be read by inexpensive readers. ID cards can be issued to foreigners on work visas and the database updated when the visa runs out. Employers can be required to check periodically on the status of noncitizens. Small employers can ask that a government agent drop by their workplace.

 

One of them is legal now. I don't know about the other.

 

The trouble is very few (as in not enough) of your friends, family, and neighbors, are capable or willing to do the work I require. Too many Americans have lost the desire and skill to do physical labor.

 

At least at the wages you want to pay. The illegals work cheap.

 

The issue is not that they can't get Americans to do the job it's that Americans are given a simple choice.
1. Do you want to get up every day and go out to do a days work?, or;
2. Do you want to get free money from the taxpayer so you can sit on the couch all day drinking beer?

 

Seems like they've realized this, some are opting for Mexico's "assisted return" (bus back to the border) and others accepting work in Mexico with a "humanitarian work permit". Apparently many were misled by caravan organizers, thought they'd be allowed in and automatically get to stay and work in the US at least at least until they're "credible fear" hearings, figured Trump's alarms and military deployment was just rhetoric. They're disappointed about the delay in just submitting asylum applications (50-60 per day), unhappy with the squalor of the Tijuana encampments, concerned over the lack of hospitality by the citizenry in Tijuana and have seen the border is actually defended.

But there's hope, yesterday 32 deranged lefty gringoes were busted by the Border Patrol, they were "religious leaders from the community" (in San Diego) who protested in a restricted area near the border with Tijuana after being warned they'd be arrested for doing so at that location (one was additionally charged with assaulting a Border Patrol officer).

 

The whole thing is just a Trump TV show he put on for the election.
Remember the first caravan?
Started at 1500
400 made the border
375 passed the credible fear test (pretty high actually)
About 22% will actually get asylum. ~80 people
Quick call out the National Guard!
Oh wait.....

 

I'm never quite sure which is the most dangerous - the lefties with their knee-jerk do-gooding naievety, or the religious nutters in their unwordly stupidity - and a bit of recruiting at the same time.

 

And how many who have been released into the US will actually show up for the asylum hearing?

 

I think just 2% actually show up for their asylum hearings, but I've heard estimates as high as 20% do appear. I've also read that the latest figures indicate about 65% of the claims are rejected, primarily due to lack of evidence.

 

A lot of numbers flying around but somewhere between 65% to 85% do show up it seems.

This means that 86 percent of individuals released from ICE detention in 2015 after a bond hearing complied with their appearance obligations," the study states.

The study also states that the overall appearance rate for individuals released from ICE custody in 2015 was 77 percent.
https://www.caller.com/story/news/t...mmigrants-evade-deportation-orders/724927002/
More conservative:

According to Metcalf, of the almost 2.5 million aliens released from detention, 918,098 failed to appear in court. Nearly 46,000 aliens disappeared each year rather than appear in court when they were supposed to.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/no-more-catch-and-release-illegal-immigrants

Of course there are about 800,000 waiting for a court date so there is no shortage.

 

So Trump is correct, there are a high percentage of criminals who have no respect for our laws entering the US on the pretext of 'asylum'